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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    not bad at all... but you are certainly in no position to insinuate that i'm some sort of sissy peace-nic... not even close.

    like you, i come from military lineage... except my family was rooted in the Corps.. all the way back to my great grandfather
    I hung up my rifle ( the first time) in 1993 ..after serving 23 years.
    when I enlisted, I ,too, was considered "support".. MOS 5923.. (HAWk missile Hi-power illuminator radar tech).. my first deployment was to Monkey Mountain.. outside of Da Nang... as a boot, i didn't get to do my actual job though.. i spent time in Graves and registration at Da Nang proper ( with nightly excusions to dogpatch for whiskey and wimmin)... I reenlisted for infantry.. and that where I hung my hat until the Corps decided to promote me enough times as to ensure I didn't carry a rifle anymore, but to lead Marines instead.

    after 23+ years, 5 Combat actions ribbons, 2 purple hearts, and over 50 months ,total, of actually fighting Americans enemies, I think i've earned ..at the very least.. the right NOT to be called a sissy by Air Force support staff.

    so, now I think we can stow the bullsh*t and get to debating like adults.
    I dont consider military or civilian personnel 'sissies.' Your comment about the support staff gig is a little comical...but I really dont care enough about your opinion to explain why. I do however think people that believe we can negotiate peacefully with terrorists are empty headed fools best left to planting daisy gardens. I think people that cling to some notion that because a terrorist was born in the US we should target him with the same extreme prejudice that we do all other terrorists proves they cant be trusted with national security. I think its silly to presume that charging him in absentia with anything would have some sort of impact...other than...you know...making us feel all better about ourselves. Dood was a terrorist. Heavy emphasis on the 'was' part.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs View Post
    If the right is hell-bent on impeachment, let them go for it. I predict it will work out about the same as trying to impeach Clinton did in 1999. The voters got sick of the GOP putting their partisanship ahead of the country's welfare and turned control of the Senate over to the Dems and severely reduced the GOP majority in the House in 2000.
    I have not heard anyone calling for impeachment over this.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Bull**** Thrilla. You chose to restate something in quotes which I did not say. I then proceeded to shred what you did. Having to rephrase and misquote others, as you did, so as to then ridicule, is low-brow in my book.
    you are free to correct my representation of your words... but don't try to tell me my position is insane.... I gave no position.
    you said rights don't take form until someones tries to take them away and you seek redress.... implying that if you do not seek redress, the right never takes form.
    I added in that dead men tell no tales... meaning dead men can't seek redress. .. and if they don't seek redress, their rights never take form.


    But the Judge went further, did he not ? Did he not state that the Judiciary lacked standing in the exercise by the Executive in performing the duties of CIC ?
    yes, yes he did.... I haven't stated otherwise... but you incorrectly stated that the plaintiff wasn't found to be lacking standing.
    but it's nice to see you almost come close to admitting that you were incorrect.




    Regardless, and a point I think often missed here, is that Congress has kept itself well-briefed, and more importantly, has not been constrained in acting in a number of ways here. And it has chosen not to attempt to take from the President this authority. We have no evidence that the President has acted as a "loose cannon". Further, like it or not, we know that the military must at times react very quickly to targets-of-opportunity, and not as we see within the criminal justice system. I want commanders who do not dither at key moments.
    congress has kept itself well briefed?... that has yet to be shown.

    and i don't think the President is acting as a loose cannon... I completely understand where he is coming from... i understand his responsibilities and where his head and heart is .... so don't take this as me trying to insult Obama personally or politically , i'm not.... i don't give a rat's ass who sits in the daddy chair and makes hit lists with Americans on it, i don't like it.
    I do not believe the President should possess an unchecked power to kill Americans citizens based on undisclosed standards and undisclosed evidence.... that is an awesome power that no one branch should posses.
    I find myself , begrudgingly no doubt, agreeing with the ACLU on this particular issue.

    this issue has absolutely nothing to do with targets of opportunity.. it has everything to do with targeted killings


    Which would bolster my point, if anything, that being the ability of the military to act more spontaneously than normal due-process would invite. However, in that incident, Adams acted as a lawyer, not as an elected official, much less a debate about Constitutional rights. I raise the Founders as it was liberals, or libertarians, earlier in the topic, who claimed the Founders would be appalled at the sanction of the dirtbag. I clearly beg to differ
    your speculation is valid.. but it's still speculation at the end of the day.... i'm not even sure why you brought up the founding fathers personal opinions on the matter
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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I dont consider military or civilian personnel 'sissies.' Your comment about the support staff gig is a little comical...but I really dont care enough about your opinion to explain why. I do however think people that believe we can negotiate peacefully with terrorists are empty headed fools best left to planting daisy gardens. I think people that cling to some notion that because a terrorist was born in the US we should target him with the same extreme prejudice that we do all other terrorists proves they cant be trusted with national security. I think its silly to presume that charging him in absentia with anything would have some sort of impact...other than...you know...making us feel all better about ourselves. Dood was a terrorist. Heavy emphasis on the 'was' part.
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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I've never been all that comfortable with the "thanks for your service" comment.
    Really?? Every time I see someone in uniform, I go up to them, look 'em right in the eye, stick out my hand and say, "Thank you very much your service." Should I be saying something else that would be more meaningful?
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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    LOL. Awesome. Ruff, tuff Marine!
    The Air Force are not sissies either. Although in one joint assignment it was made clear to me by an Air Force sergeant (E7, I think) that they considered it to be a field deployment if they were further than 2 kilometers from a golf course or NCO club.

    I started out in air defense as a Chaparral platoon leader. It was a couple of weeks back. From there I transferred into military intelligence. I dabbled in nuclear command and control (I especially liked targeting). And in my final assignment training.
    Oh hey...I dont mind the notion that AF personnel are a little more pampered than non AF personnel. I recall joint exercises in Spain where the soliders we were supporting stayed in remote locations and ate c rats and we stayed in 5 star hotels...yes...that makes me a pussy. Or...smarter...I dont know...

    During the secure comm days, I crawled around in deep cover with soldiers and marines providing intel on a couple different continents. If they were smart enough to operate their own equipment I could have stayed at nice cushy bases with cable dammit! There is some truth to the old comic strip where the soldier is in the rain and says "this sucks", the special forces soldier says "God I love how this sucks", the marine says "God I wish this would suck more!" and the Airman says "What? Cable is out??? This Sucks!!!" Its all good. I work with soldiers daily now and iots always good for a luagh. The interservice rivalry is always good fun. Doesnt bother me in the least.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Really?? Every time I see someone in uniform, I go up to them, look 'em right in the eye, stick out my hand and say, "Thank you very much your service." Should I be saying something else that would be more meaningful?
    I just say, "Thank you." They always know what I mean.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    impeachment is not the only remedy... not sure why you are trying to pidgeonhole everyone into either supporting impeachment or the status quo.
    those are options, sure, but they aren't the only options.

    and no, not everything the President does is subject to congressional review.... every now and then Congress wants answers and the Prez says no... that's when the courts get involved.
    That qualifiacation part is the part that intrigues me. You consider the action unconstitutional...an execution...murder...oh...but hey...not that we should hold the president accountable to your beliefs.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Really?? Every time I see someone in uniform, I go up to them, look 'em right in the eye, stick out my hand and say, "Thank you very much your service." Should I be saying something else that would be more meaningful?
    I am just speaking for me Maggie. If you do that with me Im likely to just say "thank you so much for voting, being involved in your community and taking care of business at home!" We all do our part the way we do it best. Without each other...both sides would fail.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    That qualifiacation part is the part that intrigues me. You consider the action unconstitutional...an execution...murder...oh...but hey...not that we should hold the president accountable to your beliefs.
    McCain/Feingold was as unconstitutional as they come and the courts ruled so but nobody called for anyone's removal or impeachment.

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