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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Our rights are not only applied in a court of law. They just are.
    Fail again. This is getting old. A "right" only takes form when someone tries to deny it from you, and you then seek legal redress.

    In this case, when Al-Dirtbag was put on the target list last year, it was reviewed in both Federal Court, and in a House hearing. And we still have legal redress, although Al-Dirtbag is dead. Impeachment for one. This is our system.

    As I have said numerous times, the Founders would have approved of a bomb falling on this scumbag's head as well.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Look, this is why we have leaders we can supposedly trust.
    You trusted Bush to carry out the war?

    And if we don't trust them, since we put them there, it's our own darned fault. There are exceptions to every single rule on the planet. If you think that our own Constitution should be used to club us over the head and paralyze us in the face of attack, so be it.

    I, on the other hand, see exceptions. This was certainly one of them. So says the President of the United States, his legal advisors, the US District Court and Congress. Get over it.
    The Constitution does not have exceptions. We have known about this guy for years. There is no reason why we could not have settled this through the means our country is based upon.

    No, I do not trust politicians to do the correct thing. Again that is a big picture arguement. I'm going to feel pretty secure that you do not either despite your claims here.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Fail again. This is getting old. A "right" only takes form when someone tries to deny it from you, and you then seek legal redress.

    In this case, when Al-Dirtbag was put on the target list last year, it was reviewed in both Federal Court, and in a House hearing. And we still have legal redress, although Al-Dirtbag is dead. Impeachment for one. This is our system.

    As I have said numerous times, the Founders would have approved of a bomb falling on this scumbag's head as well.
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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Again, the courts have ruled that one does not lose their constitutional rights by being an enemy combatant. You may not like that but that was the ruling. If the courts had ruled otherwise we would not be having this discussion.
    I believe you misunderstand the law.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    are you arguing that American citizens are stripped of some of thier Constitutional rights during wartime?
    Certainly. They do not have the right not to be attacked and killed when they are on the enemy's side, fighting us. If we capture them and they are unlawful enemy combatants then they have the right to be detained as a prisoner of war until the war is over, or, if they have committed war crimes to be tried in a military court.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Here's just one oath, taken by those that fired the missile:

    "I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
    The President, in his authority as CIC, ordered action against a military target. All courts, and Congress, have upheld that authority in this specific case. If and when a legal authority ruiles otherwise, and not just Ron Loon Paul, I am sure you will let us know.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    You trusted Bush to carry out the war?
    Red-herring attempt to derail.

    The Constitution does not have exceptions.
    Apparently it does...everything on the planet has exceptions. And, if not, we have a system in place to address that: impeachment. And that is absolutely not happening.

    No, I do not trust politicians to do the correct thing. Again that is a big picture arguement. I'm going to feel pretty secure that you do not either despite your claims here.
    They certainly don't always; and it's the responsibility of every American to question/question/question. But I'll be darned if I'm going to impeach President Obama for giving the order to take out this arrogant traitor. It was the right thing to do. To even attempt to get this guy found guilty in abstentia and sentenced to death would be absolutely ridiculous.
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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I believe you misunderstand the law.
    Opinion noted.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    When in the Course of human events ............
    And you are now quoting the DoI, a document written before the Constitution, none of which is therefore derived from the Constitution, in a discussion about Constitutional rights.

    Paulistas have no common sense.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Red-herring attempt to derail.
    Bull ****. It is your position. Asking you questions about your positions is absolutly valid. You said that we must trust those we elected to do the right thing. Did you trust Bush to do the right thing?

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