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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Here you have stumbled onto the truth. But notice how you just pick yourself up, dust yourself off and wander on as if nothing important happened.

    It is a war. He is not a criminal within a criminal justice system. He was an unlawful enemy combatant, a propagandist for the enemy side of this war. But of course you know that.
    Again, the courts have ruled that one does not lose their constitutional rights by being an enemy combatant. You may not like that but that was the ruling. If the courts had ruled otherwise we would not be having this discussion.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Let's argue that it can not be done. It's why people like Paul need to bring things like this up because the ramifications go far beyond this case.
    Only when one's argument in "this case" is shown to lack adequate merit.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    When you consistently apply the wrong standard you will consistently get the wrong answer.
    There is war, where we do not care about guilt and innocence. We care to win or to avoid defeat.
    And there is criminality where we do care about guilt and innocence.

    You are judging a war action through the lens of criminal justice. And that is why you err.
    are you arguing that American citizens are stripped of some of thier Constitutional rights during wartime?

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    There you go again !! Confusing a criminal proceeding with a military action. So long as you embrace this erroneous perspective, you will be as a horse with blinders on.
    Where is this listed that one loses their rights by being accused with siding with the enemy? Have we not had cases where people have been accused of this? How did we handle it? We tried them and then executed them.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Again, the courts have ruled that one does not lose their constitutional rights by being an enemy combatant. You may not like that but that was the ruling. If the courts had ruled otherwise we would not be having this discussion.
    Again, you fail. He was not denied his Constitutional RIghts as they would have appled in a criminal proceeding.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Let's argue that it can not be done. It's why people like Paul need to bring things like this up because the ramifications go far beyond this case.
    I don't disagree.... i think it's important to get things like this out in the open and settled... and i'm not sure why some folks are offended at the notion of even discussing it.

    there is a serious legal question to be answered here...a question that extends well beyond this one dude.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Where is this listed that one loses their rights by being accused with siding with the enemy? Have we not had cases where people have been accused of this? How did we handle it? We tried them and then executed them.
    Good grief ... Here you go again !! He was a military target in a military zone. That changes things !!!! Different rules my friend !!!

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Again, you fail. He was not denied his Constitutional RIghts as they would have appled in a criminal proceeding.
    Our rights are not only applied in a court of law. They just are.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Good grief ... Here you go again !! He was a military target in a military zone. That changes things !!!! Different rules my friend !!!
    Where are these rules?

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Where is this listed that one loses their rights by being accused with siding with the enemy? Have we not had cases where people have been accused of this? How did we handle it? We tried them and then executed them.
    Look, this is why we have leaders we can supposedly trust. And if we don't trust them, since we put them there, it's our own darned fault. There are exceptions to every single rule on the planet. If you think that our own Constitution should be used to club us over the head and paralyze us in the face of attack, so be it.

    I, on the other hand, see exceptions. This was certainly one of them. So says the President of the United States, his legal advisors, the US District Court and Congress. Get over it.
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