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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    When did this go from a debate over killing terrorists to kinky sex talk?
    You know, that was my first thought too. :-)

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Thanks for voting and being a citizen. Its all the same to me. Ive spent 8 years now since my retirement putting soldiers and families back together...but I also work with civilians who have experience the worst kinds of combat...family life. Its all just a thing.

    Id still LOVE to hear how this whole 'due process' thing works for a terrorist. Served in absentia...tried in absentia...THEN killed? Or just kill the non-US born terrorists that are responsible for slaughtering men women and children.
    I served as well my friend. With the best.

    I do not know that we will ever be privy to all here. However, there is a process. I do not have the time to dig, but at least a few of the earlier links reference findings presented by the CIA. There was at least one House hearing on this last year when Al-Dirtbag was designated for sanction. Every Court that hs looked at this so far has ruled that the Executive does have this authority. And lastly, we need to be more finite in the use of the word "assassinate". Military targets are just that, they are "targeted". While "assassinate" can be used to describe almost any killing where we actually aimed at the victim, it usually apples to political killings, not military.

    My feeling was that Ron Paul was being political in using the word "assassinate" to describe a military hit, as he is in campaign mode, and that it was a poor choice on his part. His sole point of contention seemed to be that this perp had been a citizen. The armed enemy, on foreign soil, beyond our ability to easily arrest, is a 100% prime grade-A target for killing by any means possible, IMMHO.
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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    not bad at all... but you are certainly in no position to insinuate that i'm some sort of sissy peace-nic... not even close.

    like you, i come from military lineage... except my family was rooted in the Corps.. all the way back to my great grandfather
    I hung up my rifle ( the first time) in 1993 ..after serving 23 years.
    when I enlisted, I ,too, was considered "support".. MOS 5923.. (HAWk missile Hi-power illuminator radar tech).. my first deployment was to Monkey Mountain.. outside of Da Nang... as a boot, i didn't get to do my actual job though.. i spent time in Graves and registration at Da Nang proper ( with nightly excusions to dogpatch for whiskey and wimmin)... I reenlisted for infantry.. and that where I hung my hat until the Corps decided to promote me enough times as to ensure I didn't carry a rifle anymore, but to lead Marines instead.

    after 23+ years, 5 Combat actions ribbons, 2 purple hearts, and over 50 months ,total, of actually fighting Americans enemies, I think i've earned ..at the very least.. the right NOT to be called a sissy by Air Force support staff.

    so, now I think we can stow the bullsh*t and get to debating like adults.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    When did this go from a debate over killing terrorists to kinky sex talk?
    everything should end in kinky sex talk

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The point cant be any clearer. Dood represented a clear and present danger. He is/was a threat to the US. Candidate Obama preached about how he would offer constitutional rights to terrorists. President Obama realizes national security is more than feel good pretty speeches. Thats why he reneged on his campaign promise. Thats why he aggresively pursues terrorists. The guy taking his dirt nap and chilling with his 72 virgins? He earned it and is right where he belongs. Your opinion is contrary to the opinion of those responsible for making the decisions and those that validate those decisions. THAT is the fact.
    None of which addresses the fact that he could have been tried which would have ended most of this discussion.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    None of which addresses the fact that he could have been tried which would have ended most of this discussion.
    Tried ? We had a CIA finding. We had a hearing in the House. Meanwhile, Al-Dirtbag is actively engaged in plotting to kill more US citizens. Apparently not concerned that we might revoke bail ................ oh wait.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    It is now settled law that every U.S. citizen may renounce citizenship at any time. On the other hand, the government may not withdraw nationality from a citizen based on any actions the citizen takes; loss of citizenship can only result when the there is clear evidence that the person intends to expatriate.

    Since 1990, the Department of State policy based on these laws and court rulings has been to revoke an individual's citizenship if and only if an individual appears in person at a U.S. embassy or consulate abroad and explicitly declares his intention to renounce citizenship.

    History of Expatriation Law | Renunciation of U.S. Citizenship: A Web Guide

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    None of which addresses the fact that he could have been tried which would have ended most of this discussion.
    i'd be happy with judicial review of the evidence that supposedly exists in regards to Americans on the list.

    after researching a bit.. it seems we have no legal mechanism for trials in absentia ( whether we should or not is a separate debate, I think)... but there has to be some sort of alternative to simple unchecked executive power when it comes to targeted killings of American citizens.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Tried ? We had a CIA finding.
    That is not how our legal system works nor when time has passed will anyone agree that is how they want it to work. The CIA does not get to decide which U.S. citizens get to live and which ones get to die.

    We had a hearing in the House. Meanwhile, Al-Dirtbag is actively engaged in plotting to kill more US citizens. Apparently not concerned that we might revoke bail ................ oh wait.
    In our justice system you are innocent until proven guilty. It would have been very easy to have proven his guilt if all that is claimed is fact.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    not bad at all... but you are certainly in no position to insinuate that i'm some sort of sissy peace-nic... not even close.

    like you, i come from military lineage... except my family was rooted in the Corps.. all the way back to my great grandfather
    I hung up my rifle ( the first time) in 1993 ..after serving 23 years.
    when I enlisted, I ,too, was considered "support".. MOS 5923.. (HAWk missile Hi-power illuminator radar tech).. my first deployment was to Monkey Mountain.. outside of Da Nang... as a boot, i didn't get to do my actual job though.. i spent time in Graves and registration at Da Nang proper ( with nightly excusions to dogpatch for whiskey and wimmin)... I reenlisted for infantry.. and that where I hung my hat until the Corps decided to promote me enough times as to ensure I didn't carry a rifle anymore, but to lead Marines instead.

    after 23+ years, 5 Combat actions ribbons, 2 purple hearts, and over 50 months ,total, of actually fighting Americans enemies, I think i've earned ..at the very least.. the right NOT to be called a sissy by Air Force support staff.

    so, now I think we can stow the bullsh*t and get to debating like adults.
    LOL. Awesome. Ruff, tuff Marine!
    The Air Force are not sissies either. Although in one joint assignment it was made clear to me by an Air Force sergeant (E7, I think) that they considered it to be a field deployment if they were further than 2 kilometers from a golf course or NCO club.

    I started out in air defense as a Chaparral platoon leader. It was a couple of weeks back. From there I transferred into military intelligence. I dabbled in nuclear command and control (I especially liked targeting). And in my final assignment training.

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