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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    FACT: one loses his citizenship when he knowingly & willfully enlists in the armed forces of another country, let alone the armed forces of an enemy nation or a terrorist organization who has sworn to kill American citizens.

    doubt me? read your passport.
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    United States Code: Title 8,1481. Loss of nationality by native-born or naturalized citizen; voluntary action; burden of proof; presumptions | LII / Legal Information Institute

    THE GUY IS A US CITIZEN.
    and as SUCH he HAS TO BE TRIALED.

    (7) committing any act of treason against, or attempting by force to overthrow, or bearing arms against, the United States, violating or conspiring to violate any of the provisions of section 2383 of title 18, or willfully performing any act in violation of section 2385 of title 18, or violating section 2384 of title 18 by engaging in a conspiracy to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, if and when he is convicted thereof by a court martial or by a court of competent jurisdiction.
    FACT: Constitution:
    "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentmen*t or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensati*on."
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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    As pointed out, Timothy McVeigh was every bit as much of an enemy. We would not accepted the idea of state troopers just shooting him in the head when they captured him.
    While I understand your viewpoint, I don't agree.

    #1, we took this guy out with a drone in a foreign country where he'd set up shop to wreak havoc. I'd call that a traitor. #2, he was killed during a drone strike, no doubt targetting him. We are not obliged to send in troops and put dozens of lives in danger in order to "arrest" someone who has gone over to the other side.
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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

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    FACT: one loses his citizenship when he knowingly & willfully enlists in the armed forces of another country, let alone the armed forces of an enemy nation or a terrorist organization who has sworn to kill American citizens.

    doubt me? read your passport.
    The USSC says otherwise.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    As pointed out, Timothy McVeigh was every bit as much of an enemy. We would not accepted the idea of state troopers just shooting him in the head when they captured him.
    So where precisely is the dividing line between crime and war? If, as a hypothetical, an American citizen joins a foreign army and takes up arms against his own country, he is in my eyes an enemy combatant and a legitimate military target. I'd say that's pretty close to what Aulaqi did.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    US passport, page 4, section 8:

    Loss of U.S. Citizenship: Under certain circumstances, you may lose your U.S. citizenship by performing, voluntarily and with the intention to relinquish U.S. citizenship, any of the following acts: 1) being naturalized in a foreign state; 2) raking an oath or making a declaration to a foreign state; 3) serving in the armed forces of a foreign state.

    I think we can logically argue that joining Al Qaeda and taking part in the planning and implementation of terrorist attacks against the American citizen population, counts as an intention of relinquishing one's U.S. citizenship.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    The USSC says otherwise.
    prove it.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    FACT: one loses his citizenship when he knowingly & willfully enlists in the armed forces of another country, let alone the armed forces of an enemy nation or a terrorist organization who has sworn to kill American citizens.

    doubt me? read your passport.
    See, thing is, "enlisting" in a "terrorist organization" means whatever the hell they say it means. They don't have to prove anything. You're not a US citizen anymore because you joined terrorists. They don't have to prove it in court because you're not a US citizen and are an enemy combatant so don't have the right to a trial.
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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    US passport, page 4, section 8:

    Loss of U.S. Citizenship: Under certain circumstances, you may lose your U.S. citizenship by performing, voluntarily and with the intention to relinquish U.S. citizenship, any of the following acts: 1) being naturalized in a foreign state; 2) raking an oath or making a declaration to a foreign state; 3) serving in the armed forces of a foreign state.

    I think we can logically argue that joining Al Qaeda and taking part in the planning and implementation of terrorist attacks against the American citizen population, counts as an intention of relinquishing one's U.S. citizenship.
    Al Qaeda is a state? I thought they were a militant group.
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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Seriously does anyone else find it peculiar that you have the conservatives saying they US shouldnt have killed a terrorist and moderates and liberals saying good riddance...LOL....WOW...talk about reversals, flips and high dives....truth is...if anyone else other than a conservative or paul said it...they would be a whimpy lib wussy thats coddling the terrorists blahblahblah..

    Heres the deal he may have been american born but he was NO AMERICAN and he was responsible for killing americans...he wasnt in NYC he was in Yemen...im hopin they killed a whole bunch of terrorists that were all aro und him and aint saying

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The issue I take with the situation is that there doesn't seem to be any oversight or checks in place for whom the US military and intelligence agencies decide is "an enemy." If they call you an enemy combatant, you no longer have any rights. No due process. No trial of your peers. Just a bullet to your head, or even a predator drone while you sleep. It doesn't matter whether you're a US citizen or not, guilty or not. You're on a death list and there's nobody there to make sure the government has sufficient evidence to justify that.
    So, to defend ourselves, we have to have a court decide who the enemy is? Our enemies are entitled to the due process our Constitution provides? No. Why do you assume this jamoke wasn't guilty?

    Through AQAP’s website, al-Awlaki helped inspire U.S. Army Maj. Nidal Hasan to kill 13 people and wound 29 at Ft. Hood, Texas on November 5, 2009, U.S. counter-terrorism officials said. He also encouraged Nigerian-born Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab to try to blow up a Northwest Airlines plane on Christmas Day 2009 with explosives hidden in his underwear, they said. Earlier that year, they said, Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammed, who had converted to Islam, changed his name from Carlos Leon Bledsoe and mounted a drive-by shooting at a military recruiting office in Little Rock, Arkansas that killed one soldier and wounded another, said he’d been dispatched by AQAP.
    They have emails that verify this information....and proof aplenty on UTube that he was recruiting terrorists to destroy the enemy.

    Where the defense of our country is concerned, I'm comfortable leaving those decisions in the hands of our military and our commander-in-chief. We are targetting our enemies and will destroy them. Good luck to us.
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