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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    As noted, al-Dirtbag got "due process". FYI, "due process" is not one size fits all. Put a gun to someone's head, demand ransom, and see the due process that shows up. This is not a difficult concept, at least for some.
    self defense is not applicable in this case.... sorry.



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    Non-sequitor. You do not have the authority of the CIC.
    this much is true.... and it's also true that I am not constrained by the Constitution.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    since when is due process afforded in a war?

    we are at war with them, they are at war with us. you do not first seek to arrest your enemy in a time of war, be they citizen or not.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    self defense is not applicable in this case.... sorry.
    Self-defense is not the principle invoked.

    this much is true.... and it's also true that I am not constrained by the Constitution.
    The Courts have already ruled that certain sanctions while performing the duties of CIC are Constitutional. And yes, you would face prosecution, if apprehended by the US, under laws derived from that very same Constitution. The CIC has Constitutionally granted authority that you do not. Ummmmmm .... duh.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Self-defense is not the principle invoked.



    The Courts have already ruled that certain sanctions while performing the duties of CIC are Constitutional. And yes, you would face prosecution, if apprehended by the US, under laws derived from that very same Constitution. The CIC has Constitutionally granted authority that you do not. Ummmmmm .... duh.
    What sanctions? When did this occur?
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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    self defense is not applicable in this case.... sorry.
    It could be in a way which is why I said early that this is not black and white. The self defense arguement would come in though when it's argued that he should be tried in absentia.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    since when is due process afforded in a war?

    we are at war with them, they are at war with us. you do not first seek to arrest your enemy in a time of war, be they citizen or not.

    this is sure an odd war we are fighting eh?

    we fight and argue over the constitutional rights and due process of foreign enemy combatants held at Gitmo... but when it comes to American citizen enemy combatants, targeted assassination is supposedly the correct and rightful response.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    What sanctions? When did this occur?
    Let me assist you Grasshopper. A "sanction" is another word for anything that constitutes a "death warrant". To be "sanctioned" is to be ordered killed.

    Secondly, and I thank Maggie D for first finding (and posting) this earlier in the thread. When the Obama Administration sanctioned Al-Dirtbag, Al's father actually filed suit against the US Government.

    .......... In his 83-page decision last December, Bates dismissed an effort by al-Awlaki's father and civil liberties groups to block, in essence, al-Awlaki's execution. While acknowledging many "stark and perplexing questions," Bates said he lacked the authority to get involved.

    "There are circumstances in which the (president's) unilateral decision to kill a U.S. citizen overseas is constitutionally committed to the political branches and judicially unreviewable," U.S. District Judge John Bates concluded last year.

    Read more: Some question president's power to kill a US citizen overseas - KansasCity.com
    What the US Judge is saying is that the Constitution grants that process to the Executive.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post


    What the US Judge is saying is that the Constitution grants that process to the Executive.
    A district court. As has also been pointed out the SCOTUS has ruled otherwise. It's why the question Paul brings up needs discussed. The SCOTUS dismissed Bush's arguement that he could just ignore the rights of citizens because we are at war.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Self-defense is not the principle invoked.



    The Courts have already ruled that certain sanctions while performing the duties of CIC are Constitutional. And yes, you would face prosecution, if apprehended by the US, under laws derived from that very same Constitution. The CIC has Constitutionally granted authority that you do not. Ummmmmm .... duh.
    your "gun to the head" scenario implies self defense.

    what sanctions are held as constitutional... and is targeted assassination one of them?

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    A district court. As has also been pointed out the SCOTUS has ruled otherwise. It's why the question Paul brings up needs discussed. The SCOTUS dismissed Bush's arguement that he could just ignore the rights of citizens because we are at war.
    Phoney bloney. SCOTUS did not rule against such sanctions. What SCOTUS ruled with Bush was that enemy combatants within US custody had some minimal habeus corpus rights. Further, this is a 2010 decision, such that prior Bush decisions do not apply. If they did, then the Judge would have had precedent. He did not.

    But, since you brought it up, we do have a 1942 SCOTUS ruling:

    Blair's public testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence in February 2010 amounted to the first confirmation that the Obama administration had procedures in place to lethally target Americans. The officials can cite, in part, a 1942 Supreme Court case in which justices reasoned that the U.S. citizenship of an enemy belligerent "does not relieve him from the consequences" of war.

    Read more: Some question president's power to kill a US citizen overseas - KansasCity.com
    Conservatives are bringing facts, court rulings, and the direct quotes here to this debate. Libs (liberals and misguided libertarians) bring a bunch of made-up stuff.
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