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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    worth noting - that's not a full quote of Reagan's E.O. He was modifying the original "thou shalt not assasinate" executive order from Truman to include the provision that "however, any action taken in good faith by an agent on an other wise approved mission" can be considered free of the implications of Trumans original order.

    IE: we can't assassinate anyone. unless we really want to.

    Actually, it is

    2.11 Prohibition on Assassination.

    No person employed by or acting on behalf of the United States Government shall engage in, or conspire to engage in, assassination.
    Check out the link for yourself.
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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    exactly. we would never assassinate anyone. for example, during the invasion of Iraq, we never tried to assassinate Saddam Hussein. We were just trying to degrade his ability to communicate by turning off his personal, hand-held radio.

    with a 2,000 pound bomb.



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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    exactly. we would never assassinate anyone. for example, during the invasion of Iraq, we never tried to assassinate Saddam Hussein. We were just trying to degrade his ability to communicate by turning off his personal, hand-held radio.

    with a 2,000 pound bomb.


    Just because the government does something doesn't make it legal.
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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Just because the government does something doesn't make it legal.
    who said it was illegal? we were just trying to turn off his comm gear.







    real answer: suicidal rules will get ignored. given a choice between fudging the border of plausibility and letting some dude continue to murder innocent American civilians... we will choose to turn off his radio with a bomb. every time. the "we don't assassinate" rule isn't there to keep us from killing people, it's there so we can say we have a "we don't assassinate" rule.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    indeed he did. this goes at the very root of what we believe society is. either it is sovereign individuals who choose to enter into social contract with each other, or it is not. al-awlaki declared himself in a state of war with the United States. not our fault he made that call.
    As noted earlier, even Obama realized that he was still a U.S. citizen.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    As noted earlier, even Obama realized that he was still a U.S. citizen.
    and the executive's position matters even less in that case than the judiciary's. at least the judiciary is fit to judge whether or not he was in his right mind when he made his decision.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Actually, it is

    Check out the link for yourself.
    Again. That is bullcrap. First, it is an Executive Order, from 1981. Second, it deals with "political assassinations". Not military targets.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    and the executive's position matters even less in that case than the judiciary's. at least the judiciary is fit to judge whether or not he was in his right mind when he made his decision.
    Indeed the presidents opinion is worth less than the judiciary's. That's part of the problem here.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Indeed the presidents opinion is worth less than the judiciary's. That's part of the problem here.
    and they are both worth less than al-Awlaki's. when you divorce the US and you enter a state of war with her, you are killable. ask any Confederate soldier if anyone tried to arrest them before the artillery shells began raining down.

    again, the man was a soveriegn citizen, and he made his choice.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Again. That is bullcrap. First, it is an Executive Order, from 1981. Second, it deals with "political assassinations". Not military targets.
    Hey, don't get angry that 1Perry, Jasonxe, and I have argued and proven that the killing of al-Awlaki is illegal. However, I think that this may very well end up like a Libya situation, where when it first occurred, the people who argued it was unconstitutional were seen as crazies, yet it is now an accepted fact that the "intervention" in Libya was unconstitutional.
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