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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    I agree with Ron Paul. He deserved a trial. Then we could have assassinated him.
    Well, we couldn't've assassinated him then. It would have been merely carrying out his sentence. ; )
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Somethings never change. Perry apologizing for right wing stupidity...
    If following the law and the Constitution is "stupid," I don't want to be "smart."
    ymmv

    But giving the govt the right to execute citizens w/o a trial is not a good idea nor is it in line with fundamental American principles. ymmv
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Sensibility View Post
    You mess with the bull, you get the horns.
    Al-Awlaki knew which side he was on. He signed up to fight for the enemy. Sorry, I can't muster any sympathy; my Give-a-Damn's all busted.
    Obama is mostly following the policies of the previous administration (which he criticized to no end), and I congratulate him--and especially our military--for their successes.
    It's so not about whether or not al-Awlaki had it coming.
    It think it's pretty much a given that he did have it coming. That's not the issue.
    What's at issue is whether or not it's right for a govt to be allowed to execute citizens w/o due process.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    It's so not about whether or not al-Awlaki had it coming.
    It think it's pretty much a given that he did have it coming. That's not the issue.
    What's at issue is whether or not it's right for a govt to be allowed to execute citizens w/o due process.
    The way you put it...its an excellent question..its a tough call...my first reaction was good im glad he got whacked and Im still glad btw he was not a good guy..nor was he an american...he may have been a citizen...but he was no american.
    However, you are right in posing the question is it right to execute american citizens.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    I also have to say that I now have eliminated the first GOP candidate from any consideration and that is Ron Paul.
    I think he could not be more wrong. You don't give a poisonous snake a break you kill it.

    Al-Qaida understands death and nothing else because they are all crazy as hell.
    what that man said. there is really only one solution for those people. it has just happens to have two variants.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    The way you put it...its an excellent question..its a tough call...my first reaction was good im glad he got whacked and Im still glad btw he was not a good guy..nor was he an american...he may have been a citizen...but he was no american.
    However, you are right in posing the question is it right to execute american citizens.
    if they declare war on you, absolutely. i don't recall the federal forces attempting to arrest southern armies during the civil war - despite the fact that they maintained that each and every one of those individuals was an american citizen.

    you declare jihad on the United States, we will declare a jihad on you right back. and we have Predator drones .

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Ron Paul did have a valid point, but his claim that Al-Awlaki "might" have been a radical terrorist is not only blind stupidity, but shows how he's very unelectable
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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's not an opinion that serving in a group that is waging war against the United States is treason and punishable by death.
    Once you are tried and found guilty.

    I believe that due process was well-served, when you consider the fact that there is no question that awlaki was guilty of treason.
    Nor is there a question as to what Jared Lee Loughner did but he will get a trial.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What was the verdict in KSM's trial? Oh, wait he hasn't been tried, because we've spent nearly 9 years trying to figure out exactly what are beliefs are, so we can feel all warm and fuzzy about giving him a fair trial.
    KSM does not have a Constitutional right to a trial. We have always taken prisoners of war and simply held them.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    For those who are upset about Anwar Al-Awlaki being killed by drones, would you have a problem if he had been captured and taken to Gitmo? If so, where was your rage when Himdy Yaser, a man born in Baton Rouge, LA, was detained at Gitmo and when Jose Padilla (born in Brooklyn, NY) was detained in a military brig. The left was decrying these actions loudly at that that time saying that these men deserved due process since they were US citizens and the US had them in custody.

    Yaser is prisoner #746 at this link to DOD list of prisoners at Gitmo from 2002 to 2006 (PDF): http://www.dod.mil/news/May2006/d20060515%20List.pdf

    Here is proof GWB's administration knew Hamdi was a US citizen and had gone to court (Himdy had filed the case) arguing his status as an enemy combatant had stripped him of his rights to habeus corpus and due process: HAMDI et al. v. RUMSFELD, SECRETARY OF DEFENSE, et al :: 542 U.S. 507 :: 2004 :: Full Text :: US Supreme Court Cases from Justia & Oyez)

    Here is proof that the GWB's administration knew Padilla was a US citizen and the opinion of the SCOTUS that Padilla's due process rights had been violated by imprisoning him in a military jail and attempting to try him in a military court: RUMSFELD, SECRETARY OF DEFENSE v. PADILLA et al :: 542 U.S. 426 :: 2004 :: US Supreme Court Cases from Justia & Oyez
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