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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Interesting that it happened on a Friday. Bin Laden was also killed on a Friday mission.

    News is slower over the weekend. Because of the controversial nature of this mission, it wouldn't surprise me if it was done on Friday for a reason. Don't be naive and say, "That's when they finally saw him." The order to kill him was given by the President over a year ago. "Do it any Friday you can."

    Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me.
    I doubt it. There's no way to time a mission like this.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's not an opinion that serving in a group that is waging war against the United States is treason and punishable by death.

    I believe that due process was well-served, when you consider the fact that there is no question that awlaki was guilty of treason.
    So what you're saying is that when a crime as severe as treason as committed and there is "no question that the defendant is guilty" in the eyes of the President he should be able to skip the legal process and go straight to the execution? I don't agree with that at all. That power has way too much potential for abuse. If it was so evident that Awlaki was guilty the trial would be breeze. We shouldn't compromise our beliefs about justice when presented with an extreme criminal.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    So what you're saying is that when a crime as severe as treason as committed and there is "no question that the defendant is guilty" in the eyes of the President he should be able to skip the legal process and go straight to the execution? I don't agree with that at all.
    Under these circumstances, yeah. Let's face it, awlaki didn't rob a liquor store.

    That power has way too much potential for abuse.
    That's why it should be reserved for people like awlaki.



    If it was so evident that Awlaki was guilty the trial would be breeze. We shouldn't compromise our beliefs about justice when presented with an extreme criminal.
    What was the verdict in KSM's trial? Oh, wait he hasn't been tried, because we've spent nearly 9 years trying to figure out exactly what are beliefs are, so we can feel all warm and fuzzy about giving him a fair trial.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Paul's is a valid question and it's why we need people like Paul to ask them.
    Somethings never change. Perry apologizing for right wing stupidity...

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    You mess with the bull, you get the horns.

    Al-Awlaki knew which side he was on. He signed up to fight for the enemy. Sorry, I can't muster any sympathy; my Give-a-Damn's all busted.

    Obama is mostly following the policies of the previous administration (which he criticized to no end), and I congratulate him--and especially our military--for their successes.
    Be in general virtuous, and you will be happy. -- Benjamin Franklin

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    It's not like a couple of FBI agents could fly to Yemen, find him in the tribal lands, cuff him, and then whisk him back to the US for trial.
    That would be quite impossible. The video of their beheading would be uploaded to YouTube.
    Congrats to the US drone team in Nevada that took out this ass-clown.
    There's something preventing even a pro forma trial in absentia?
    Giving the govt the ability to perform extra-judicial summary executions of it's citizens is a very poor precedent that cannot bode well even if it tried.


    Yes, congrats to the team who did their job well. Boo to the people who picked this job for them.
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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Why do you believe he was killed without oversight? I suspect there were lots of lawyers arguing the fine points of killing an American unlawful combatant in this very unusual war. The war against Islamofascism will not look like any of our recent past wars.
    The Constitution doesn't say that no one shall be deprived of life without oversight. Iirc, it says due process. ymmv
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Had we tried him in abstentia, it would have set a very dangerous precedent. Remember, the U.S. Constitution doesn't apply just to American citizens. You are trying to make some special exception because he is a citizen. The U.S. Constitution makes no such exception. If we try one, do we try them all??? No, I mean every one of them??? This is war not playtime at Harvard.
    Foreigners who are not in the US are not subject to the Constitution. It applies to Americans and people in the US iirc.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    So you have a trial, without a suspect in court. He's found guilty, then what, send in the drones. I like skipping the first step and going right to the drones.
    Unfortunately, so do tyrants. The Constitution is to protect us and our descendant from the abuse of govt power.
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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    the courts have never ruled on such a scenario.
    IF they haven't, don't you think they should?
    It's kind of an essential question--when can the govt conduct an extra-judicial summary execution of a citizen?
    I may be wrong.

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