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    Re: Yemen says U.S.-born al Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    This guy renounced his American citizenship when he joined an enemy terrorist organization and swore Jihad against the USA, while in a foreign land.
    And, since the United States is at war with al Qaeda, this guy was fair game.

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    Re: Yemen says U.S.-born al Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki killed

    Does this mean that you can keep your shoes on in the airport now?

    I'm glad he is dead but you have to ask yourself where does it all end. If you think it's when the "last one" is killed then you are kidding yourself. There is no winning this war. Ultimately, it boils down to this...is America/the rest of the world safer now or will someone else just step up and take his place? Every time you kill someone or torture someone, you are making them stronger. These guys are replaceable, there is no mastermind, someone else just takes his place.

    This is what we should be asking ourselves. Why are there groups like Al Qaeda? Is our current Foreign Policy creating more terrorists? Why do they hate us so much?

    And most importantly, is peace even a goal anymore?
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    Re: Yemen says U.S.-born al Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    Does this mean that you can keep your shoes on in the airport now?

    I'm glad he is dead but you have to ask yourself where does it all end. If you think it's when the "last one" is killed then you are kidding yourself. There is no winning this war. Ultimately, it boils down to this...is America/the rest of the world safer now or will someone else just step up and take his place? Every time you kill someone or torture someone, you are making them stronger. These guys are replaceable, there is no mastermind, someone else just takes his place.

    This is what we should be asking ourselves. Why are there groups like Al Qaeda? Is our current Foreign Policy creating more terrorists? Why do they hate us so much?

    And most importantly, is peace even a goal anymore?
    Because they're assholes. There will always be assholes in the world, hence the reason to kill them, so as to keep the asshole population to a manageble level.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Yemen says U.S.-born al Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    ............. Every time you kill someone or torture someone, you are making them stronger ..............
    Sorry, but you took major excessive liberties with that. Even when we torture someone, the "torture" does not make anyone stronger. Its the propaganda derived by the actions of a political party, that puts their own power over national security, that makes the enemy stronger. Not the torture. Its the Democrats that make the enemy stronger, and it ain't close.

    As for suggesting that killing the enemy is not the best option ... you go and appease them. I already know which is better. You need to learn is all.

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    Re: Yemen says U.S.-born al Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki killed

    I'm not in at all worried about Awlaki being an American citizen. He joined al Qaeda and started waging war against the U.S. through terroristic acts. He therefore lost any rights he may have had when he became a traitor to his country.

    President Obama seemed to have no qualms about Awlaki's American roots. "Awlaki was the leader of external operations for al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula," Mr. Obama said after Friday's attack. "In that role, he took the lead in planning and directing efforts to murder innocent Americans".
    Both quotes from CBS News Underlining mine

    Samir Khan, another American member of al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula and two passengers were also killed. But Awlaki was the main target. He had narrowly escaped an earlier drone strike the week after the Bin Laden raid, and this time the U.S. was taking no chances.
    and finally:

    The Justice Department wrote a secret memorandum authorizing the lethal targeting of Anwar al-Aulaqi, the American-born radical cleric who was killed by a U.S. drone strike Friday, according to administration officials.

    The document was produced following a review of the legal issues raised by striking a U.S. citizen and involved senior lawyers from across the administration. There was no dissent about the legality of killing Aulaqi, the officials said.

    “What constitutes due process in this case is a due process in war,” said one of the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss closely held deliberations within the administration.

    The administration has faced a legal challenge and public criticism for targeting Aulaqi, who was born in New Mexico, because of constitutional protections afforded U.S. citizens. The memorandum may represent an attempt to resolve, at least internally, a legal debate over whether a president can order the killing of U.S. citizens overseas as a counterterrorism measure.
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    Re: Yemen says U.S.-born al Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki killed

    "Out here, due process is a bullet" --John Wayne in The Green Berets
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Yemen says U.S.-born al Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    Does this mean that you can keep your shoes on in the airport now?

    I'm glad he is dead but you have to ask yourself where does it all end. If you think it's when the "last one" is killed then you are kidding yourself. There is no winning this war. Ultimately, it boils down to this...is America/the rest of the world safer now or will someone else just step up and take his place? Every time you kill someone or torture someone, you are making them stronger. These guys are replaceable, there is no mastermind, someone else just takes his place.

    This is what we should be asking ourselves. Why are there groups like Al Qaeda? Is our current Foreign Policy creating more terrorists? Why do they hate us so much?

    And most importantly, is peace even a goal anymore?
    I'm glad you asked that question. This is something we rarely asked after 9/11 happened.

    To truly understand, you have to go back to 1953 Iranian coup d'état where out CIA overthrew the Iranians govt for their oil.

    Even before 9/11 there possibly wasn't a year where we didn't bomb Iraq. Also in the 9/11 commission report, it was said that we had a military base in a area of Saudi Arabia that is consider Holy Land to them. I believe Ron Paul tried to explain this to the GOP in 2008 but they've spun it as "Ron Paul said the American people are to blame for 9/11" when he meant our foreign policy. Then they force us the story that they hate us because of our freedom.

    This was in the time were everyone wanted to stay in Iraq for 8,10,12 more years, preemptive nuking Iran and what not. Seriously, Ron Paul has balls of steel as no politician dare drop the truth bomb on us on that stage. It was like hearing 11 people repeat the same thing but not him.



    You can also listen to our enemies like Osama who put out a video out each week lol. It's on youtube, translated and you can listen to some of his reasons why they attacked us. Although I know people won't even consider this part. But it is critical to understanding their point of view to make a correct judgement. Just like in life, you hear both sides of the story, research it thoroughly and come to a conclusion.

    This is why we need to revisit our foreign policy and learn the concept of "blow black". Actually, it's pretty simple, you punch me, im going to punch you back. Another easy example would be in the Mayweather fight where that dude headbutt Mayweather, then Mayweather sucker punch him back. It was cheap but he had it coming.

    Another thing is we need to learn is that the middle east doesn't belong to us. Yes I know that is a hard concept to understand to everyone but that is not our land. It is like China deciding to invade us here, set up bases in our neighborhood and decide our rights means nothing to them. You damn for sure I'm going to fight back, just give me a gun. I don't care what the purpose they came here for or what there government calls me.

    My thoughts is that we use our national defense" to actually be "defensive" :-D. Our military guard our borders, guard our sensitive facilities, and what have you.

    But don't worry, no matter what anyone wants, all our troops are coming home. We're on the same path as the Soviet Union. "The Soviet economy was slowly becoming stagnant, whilst military spending went through the roof. ..and the Soviets threw more money at the military". Eventually they all had to come home, poor and broke. We will have to leave Iraq eventually and there is a possibly Al-Qaeda or whatever group will take control again. We can't hold out there forever and will depend on there people on what they want as a government. The lesson we should take out of this is how we handle Vietnam. We accomplished more in peace & trade then war.

    Anyway there is a lot of research you can do on our foreign policy if you're interested. Some stuff will shock you so beware :-D. I'm to lazy to go through all that history.
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    Re: Yemen says U.S.-born al Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    So the US extrajudicially assassinated one of its own citizens?
    I know, isn't it great that our government can take out one of your hero's and avoid the expense of incarceration and trial. And besides he was on the FBI's most wanted list, dead or alive.

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    Re: Yemen says U.S.-born al Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    So the US extrajudicially assassinated one of its own citizens?
    So the US decided to do it?

    You aren't part of the US?

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    Re: Yemen says U.S.-born al Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki killed

    Quote Originally Posted by jasonxe View Post
    I'm glad you asked that question. This is something we rarely asked after 9/11 happened.

    To truly understand, you have to go back to 1953 Iranian coup d'état were out CIA overthrew the Iranians govt for their oil.

    Even before 9/11 there possibly wasn't a year where we didn't bomb Iraq. Also in the 9/11 commission report, it was said that we had a military base in a area of Saudi Arabia that is consider Holy Land to them. I believe Ron Paul tried to explain this to the GOP in 2008 but they've spun it as "Ron Paul said the American people are to blame for 9/11" when he meant our foreign policy. Then they force us the story that they hate us because of our freedom.

    This was in the time were everyone wanted to stay in Iraq for 8,10,12 more years, preemptive nuking Iran and what not. Seriously, Ron Paul has balls of steel as no politician dare drop the truth bomb on us on that stage. It was like hearing 11 people repeat the same thing but not him.



    This is why we need to revisit our foreign policy and learn the concept of "blow black". Actually, it's pretty simple, you punch me, im going to punch you back. Another easy example would be in the Mayweather fight where that dude headbutt Mayweather, then Mayweather sucker punch him back. It was cheap but he had it coming.

    Another thing is we need to learn is that the middle east doesn't belong to us. Yes I know that is a hard concept to understand to everyone but that is not our land. It is like China deciding to invade us here, set up bases in our neighborhood and decide our rights means nothing to them. You damn for sure I'm going to fight back, just give me a gun. I don't care what the purpose they came here for or what there government calls me.

    My thoughts is that we use our national defense" to actually be "defensive" :-D. Our military guard our borders, guard our sensitive facilities, and what have you.

    But don't worry, no matter what anyone wants, all our troops are coming home. We're on the same path as the Soviet Union. "The Soviet economy was slowly becoming stagnant, whilst military spending went through the roof. ..and the Soviets threw more money at the military". Eventually they all had to come home, poor and broke. We will have to leave Iraq eventually and there is a possibly Al-Qaeda or whatever group will take control again. We can't hold out there forever and will depend on there people on what they want as a government. The lesson we should take out of this is how we handle Vietnam. We accomplished more in peace & trade then war.

    Anyway there is a lot of research you can do on our foreign policy if you're interested. Some stuff will shock you so beware :-D
    So, we should just sit back and let the Commies and the Muslim nut jobs do as they please? I'm thinking that wouldn't be a good idea.

    That makes as much sense as declining to aid England during WW2, because it might have pissed off the Germans.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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