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    Re: Yemen says U.S.-born al Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post

    I see nothing in the beliefs of the Founders that would support your assertion. As the Founders decided is was OK to declare the King's land no longer his, and therefore the King's soldiers on it now as fair targets, I can't see where they would lose a wink over blowing these scumbags up in Yemen. My library overflows with books about the Founders, btw, and I've read every one at least twice.
    You're comparing a revolution of a country against a monarch with the planned and executed assassination of a U.S. citizen in Yemen. Granted, that citizen is part of a terrorist organization and was a bad guy. But the two things are not comparable.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Yemen says U.S.-born al Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    You're comparing a revolution of a country against a monarch with the planned and executed assassination of a U.S. citizen in Yemen. Granted, that citizen is part of a terrorist organization and was a bad guy. But the two things are not comparable.
    Which was a good part of my point. Someone claimed that our Founders would have been upset with this. I am certain not. It is folly to assume such about our Founders. As I noted, our Founders knew full well the risk of war and death. Such men have a different appreciation than the modern day ACLU wimp. I do not believe the Founders would have fretted for one minute over Al-Dirtbag. As for how the Founders actually implemented the Constitution, one need only look to Washington and the Whiskey Rebellion, and Jefferson and his enforcement of the Embargo, or Adams and Alien and Sedition, to see that they were not as anal as we are !! By a long shot !

    This "citizen" was an enemy combatant first. In this new all-terrorism all-the-time global war ..... well, its not your Granpa's, or your Founders, kind of war anymore.
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    Re: Yemen says U.S.-born al Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Let's hope this doesn't inspire further retaliation.
    Yeah. We wouldn't want to make the terrorists mad at us...

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    Re: Yemen says U.S.-born al Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Another Obama victory in the war on terror.
    Yes. Let's hope he has many, many more. I hope he kills the last Al Qaeda monster on the last day of his presidency next (slightly more than) year.

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    Re: Yemen says U.S.-born al Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    cry me a river.
    Imagine that. I agree.

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    Re: Yemen says U.S.-born al Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki killed

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If there is retaliation, the attackers position themselves in the open to be destroyed. That would basically make the killing of these two clowns a, "recon by fire".
    I love the way you think.

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    Re: Yemen says U.S.-born al Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki killed

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    If someone is going to don a suit of their country and be a defender there are certian things they give up. My personal feelings are that a armded "defender" should never, ever put a civs life in danger. Not even into possible harm. If you can't sacrifice yourself for the sake of 100% target aquisition with no innocent splash damage you shouldn't wear the defenders suit. It becomes ironic and twisted when you argue that for the sake of defense, but more so the defenders, innocents must be put at risk.
    There couldn't be a more disfunctional way to run a military than that, because it's 100% impossible to give a 100% guarantee that non-combatants won't be endangered.

    If such a guarantee were the deciding factor of launching a military operation, the United States wouldn't exist anymore.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Yemen says U.S.-born al Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki killed

    Quote Originally Posted by nijato View Post
    I, speaking only for myself, can't feel good about the extra-judicial killing of an American citizen. Clearly, if he was in fact a terrorist leader (which seems very likeky) planning attacks against the US, he's an enemy of the state. We should all hesitate to quickly endorse the targeted assassination of citizens however, and I only hope that this was done because no options for his capture and trial were possible.
    I suspect he had plenty of attention from the lawyers before he finished his last meal. He was an unlawful combatant, part of the command and control structure on the other side of the war we are in. Sometimes bad things just happen to bad people in war. He was a legitimate target, serviced properly.

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    Re: Yemen says U.S.-born al Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Which was a good part of my point. Someone claimed that our Founders would have been upset with this. I am certain not. It is folly to assume such about our Founders. As I noted, our Founders knew full well the risk of war and death. Such men have a different appreciation than the modern day ACLU wimp.
    So to claim our founders would NOT have been upset with this is equally as much folly. What I am sure of was the educated me they were, they would know better than to compare a country's rights with that of one citizen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    I do not believe the Founders would have fretted for one minute over Al-Dirtbag. As for how the Founders actually implemented the Constitution, one need only look to Washington and the Whiskey Rebellion, and Jefferson and his enforcement of the Embargo, or Adams and Alien and Sedition, to see that they were not as anal as we are !! By a long shot !
    Perhaps not - however we jealously hold to the Constitution and should - one need only look at today's ursurpation of that Constitution and our governments daily dismissal of it know they would not be so keen as to simply shrug it aside whenever they please. Instead of looking at a rebellion put down (again, a bad example on your part), you should be looking at debate on individual citizens rights. Our police, FBI etc., would have no problem putting down a rebellion either. However, the assassination of one of it's own citizens in a foreign country is a different animal.


    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    This "citizen" was an enemy combatant first. In this new all-terrorism all-the-time global war ..... well, its not your Granpa's, or your Founders, kind of war anymore.
    The question is, was there a comparable killing of an American citizen by the government of the United States in a foreign country for say treason or something similar at in the 18th or 19th century? And if so, what were the circumstances and how can that be applied to this current event.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Yemen says U.S.-born al Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki killed

    We are in a war with Al Qaeda, an organization that attacked the US on its own soil on 9/11/01 and killed thousands. In a situation where the evidence is there that an Al Qeada terrorist was involved in deaths and is planning more and is in a country where we cannot have him arrested and sent to us, then extra-judicial killing is warranted. No one thought twice when OBL was killed. Being a US citizen should not make a difference if the proof is there.
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