• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Yemen says U.S.-born al Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki killed

Well, it's a good thing we continue to occupy the United States of Japan to make sure they aren't up to any good. :-D Atleast back then we didn't attack the wrong nation and go after Taiwan or South Korea.

At the end, you want death to solve an end to a means and I want peace & trade to solve it. Agree to disagree as it's 2:30am over here.
 
Last edited:
Well, it's a good thing we continue to occupy the United States of Japan to make sure they aren't up to any good. :-D Atleast back then we didn't attack the wrong nation and attack Taiwan or South Korea.

At the end, you want death to solve an end to a means and I want peace & trade to solve it. Agree to disagree as it's 2:30am over here.

Nothing about the Islamic terrorists tells me that they are interested in peace and trade.
 
Nothing about the Islamic terrorists tells me that they are interested in peace and trade.

You are exactly right and you cannot trust them because under Islamic Law they are encouraged to lie to Infidels in order to gain the upper hand so that they can slit your throat on the way to removing you head.

Only a damn fool would trust anything they said under any circumstances.
 
You are exactly right and you cannot trust them because under Islamic Law they are encouraged to lie to Infidels in order to gain the upper hand so that they can slit your throat on the way to removing you head.

Only a damn fool would trust anything they said under any circumstances.

****ing Eurasians.

Winston Smith
 
That's not legally correct.

I do not think he viewed himself as an American citizen. He left the US and He sided with our enemies to attack us. I think most countries would not let you keep your citizenship after doing something like that.
 
Last edited:
A history lesson



and to add into it is the iraq sanctions



You say we can't trust them but why the hell would they trust us? XD
 
A history lesson



and to add into it is the iraq sanctions



You say we can't trust them but why the hell would they trust us? XD


What does that have to do with US bombing a traitor?
 
Last edited:
As I said in a post about Ron Paul's idiotic remarks about al-Awlaki.

Face the facts people, we are at War and Anwar al-Awlaki was an enemy combatant and therefore fair game.

He had no rights and picked him own lot in life getting what he deserved.

Damn I love technology.
predator_firing_hellfire.jpg
 
As I said in a post about Ron Paul's idiotic remarks about al-Awlaki.

Face the facts people, we are at War and Anwar al-Awlaki was an enemy combatant and therefore fair game.

He had no rights and picked him own lot in life getting what he deserved.

Damn I love technology.
View attachment 67116280

You sure you aren't a authoritarian?
 
You sure you aren't a authoritarian?

No..hes just an american with an opinion, which I also share....its good he got whacked
 
Appeasement doesn't work libs. Never has.. Never will.
 
BTW has anyone determined beyond a doubt that were purposely targeting that one individual...or did they target that area and he being an american hater and terrorist as he is...just happened to be there...
 
So the US extrajudicially assassinated one of its own citizens?

No, we assassinated a treasonous former citizen who actively took up sides as an enemy combatant against us.
 
Why the hell does wonder boy Obama get the credit for any head name terrorist kiling?....It's not like he's doing the killing himself.
Anyone can give the order to take out a known, proven, wanted terrorist leader...HELLO!

Since when does any American military personal have to wait for wonder boys permission to take out a terrorist leader.....When the seconds of opportunity count?

Typical mind bending liberal propoganda Hupla Crap to make wonder boy look glorious....

Simple mind liberal Americans eat it up like jerks....Ignorance at it's peak
 
Last edited:
BTW has anyone determined beyond a doubt that were purposely targeting that one individual...or did they target that area and he being an american hater and terrorist as he is...just happened to be there...

we were not attempting to kill al-Awlaki. We were attempting to disable his vehicle so that a special forces team could swoop in and arrest him, read him his miranda rights, offer him a nice cold beverage, and fly him first class back to the States for his 12-month-long media-frenzy trial. In an accident of war, it turns out that the long tubes we used to try to knock off the vehicle tires were missiles, that exploded. Nobody knew that having multiple penetrating warheads detonate within feet of him would injure or kill al-Awlaki, and we are very sorry for this unfortunate collateral damage to our Tire-targeting mission. One of those unfortunate things that just happens in war, you know.





:D
 
Last edited:
To those now bashing Obama's decision to target a member of Al Qaeda who was a US citizen, where was your outrage when the president was authorized to do this?
Authorization for Use of Military Force
September 18, 2001

Public Law 107-40 [S. J. RES. 23]

107th CONGRESS

JOINT RESOLUTION

To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.

Whereas, on September 11, 2001, acts of treacherous violence were committed against the United States and its citizens; and

Whereas, such acts render it both necessary and appropriate that the United States exercise its rights to self-defense and to protect United States citizens both at home and abroad; and

Whereas, in light of the threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States posed by these grave acts of violence; and

Whereas, such acts continue to pose an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States; and

Whereas, the President has authority under the Constitution to take action to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against the United States: Now, therefore, be it Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This joint resolution may be cited as the `Authorization for Use of Military Force'.

SEC. 2. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) IN GENERAL- That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.
Entire text available at: Authorization for Use of Military Force- Sept. 18, 2001

You can't feign "We didn't know". It was all over the news in 2002 - an example: War on Terrorism: CIA can kill Americans in al-Qaida - seattlepi.com

Since Al Awlaki was killed by a US military drone at the direction of the CIA, it appears Obama was legally empowered to take military action against Al Awlaki.

For those who are upset about Anwar Al-Awlaki being killed by drones, would you have a problem if he had been captured and taken to Gitmo? If so, where was your rage when Himdy Yaser, a man born in Baton Rouge, LA, was detained at Gitmo and when Jose Padilla (born in Brooklyn, NY) was detained in a military brig. The left was decrying these actions loudly at that that time saying that these men deserved due process since they were US citizens and the US had them in custody.

Yaser is prisoner #746 at this link to DOD list of prisoners at Gitmo from 2002 to 2006 (PDF): http://www.dod.mil/news/May2006/d20060515 List.pdf

Here is proof GWB's administration knew Hamdi was a US citizen and had gone to court (Himdy had filed the case) arguing his status as an enemy combatant had stripped him of his rights to habeus corpus and due process: HAMDI et al. v. RUMSFELD, SECRETARY OF DEFENSE, et al :: 542 U.S. 507 :: 2004 :: Full Text :: US Supreme Court Cases from Justia & Oyez)

Here is proof that the GWB's administration knew Padilla was a US citizen and the opinion of the SCOTUS that Padilla's due process rights had been violated by imprisoning him in a military jail and attempting to try him in a military court: RUMSFELD, SECRETARY OF DEFENSE v. PADILLA et al :: 542 U.S. 426 :: 2004 :: US Supreme Court Cases from Justia & Oyez
 
Why the hell does wonder boy Obama get the credit for any head name terrorist kiling?....It's not like he's doing the killing himself.
Anyone can give the order to take out a known, proven, wanted terrorist leader...HELLO!
When something positive happens, the President gets credit - when something bad happens, the President gets the criticism. It happens no matter who (or what party) is in the White House.

Since when does any American military personal have to wait for wonder boys permission to take out a terrorist leader.....When the seconds of opportunity count?
No one saying anyone has to wait, but dropping a bomb on the head of an American citizen who also happens to be a terrorist **** who deserves to die a thousand deaths, has to be looked at. I explained my position earlier - it's a dangerous precedent to set. I'm pretty far from liberal... ask around.
 
Does this mean that you can keep your shoes on in the airport now?
Is that the question we should ask before each potential operation?

I'm glad he is dead but you have to ask yourself where does it all end.
It ends when our enemy has had enough. Or it ends when we submit to Islam. Which of those two options do you prefer?
If you think it's when the "last one" is killed then you are kidding yourself.

Actually that would do it. When no more Islamofascists exist this war will end.
There is no winning this war.
Awesome. I admire your optimism.

Ultimately, it boils down to this...is America/the rest of the world safer now or will someone else just step up and take his place?
I think we should continue killing these guys because it is just so much fun.

Every time you kill someone or torture someone, you are making them stronger.
Using your logic I think we should shoot for a goal of making them invincible. Let's kill then by the bushel full.

These guys are replaceable, there is no mastermind, someone else just takes his place.
Therefore what? Submission to Islam?

This is what we should be asking ourselves. Why are there groups like Al Qaeda? Is our current Foreign Policy creating more terrorists? Why do they hate us so much?
First you need to grow up. Islam has been at war with the rest of the world since roughly 700AD. The Barbary Pirates were Islamofascists. As long as Islam exists there will be Islamofascists. The world has always been a dangerous place. That is why we band together to form governments. If you are asking the question, "Why do they hate us?" you are asking the wrong question.

And most importantly, is peace even a goal anymore?
All we are saying, is give peace a chance...

 
I have zero doubt that capture was simply not a viable option. We captured KSM, did we not?

Exactly. I can see the justification for this in Yemen even more so than if it were to take place in Iraq and Afghanistan, since the US doesn't have a large presence there. I would hope that only under these severe conditions when there is truly no alternative would such a thing happen.

The Ron Paul / ACLU position is important to take note of however, because at the end of the day, a US citizen was killed by a US strike with no legal process whatsoever, excepting a presidential order. Agree or disagree, we must all appreciate the fact that this citizen was killed only because the POTUS ordered it. That should be a frightening thing to consider.
 
Back
Top Bottom