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Yemen says U.S.-born al Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki killed

I see what happened to Al Awlaki as more similar to what happens when a person takes hostages, kills one or more and is threatening to kill more. No one think the constitution has been violated when a sharp-shooter from the SWAT team shoots and kills the perp because it is the only way to save the lives of the remaining hostages.
 
Well said. Look at Lincoln and the suspension of habeus corpus. He was not a Founder, but he was closer than us, and he is a darling of historians, is he not ?

Or, as you note with WWII, look to FDR and the 8 German saboteurs. Some of them were "Americans". He hung 6 of them, if I remember correctly. They threw the Constitution out the window on them. I got the book 6 feet to my right.

I had forgotten all about that. Good job!
 
My pleasure CIB.

Hooah!!

Two more good examples would be "Tokyo Rose" and "Axis Sally". American citizens that were imprisoned for spreading anti-American propaganda during WW2. Afterall, they were simply excercising their 1st Amendment rights. They would be Left wing heroes, now.
 
He is a dead terrorist. Those who cheered bin Laden's death while gnashing their teeth at Alwaki's simply because he was an American are not only hypocritical, they're ****ing crazy. The guy is responsible for hundreds of deaths, and would have been responsible for hundreds more if some of his bombs hadn't been stopped while being shipped. Now he is dead. Personally, I'm going to drink to that. Those who won't join me can put on their hair shirts and pound their chests in mourning. Frankly, Scarlett, I don't give a damn. Cheers!
 
This guy renounced his American citizenship when he joined an enemy terrorist organization and swore Jihad against the USA, while in a foreign land.

And, since the United States is at war with al Qaeda, this guy was fair game.

Have I already remarked at how pumped I am, that this cat got wasted?
 
Does this mean that you can keep your shoes on in the airport now?

I'm glad he is dead but you have to ask yourself where does it all end. If you think it's when the "last one" is killed then you are kidding yourself. There is no winning this war. Ultimately, it boils down to this...is America/the rest of the world safer now or will someone else just step up and take his place? Every time you kill someone or torture someone, you are making them stronger. These guys are replaceable, there is no mastermind, someone else just takes his place.

This is what we should be asking ourselves. Why are there groups like Al Qaeda? Is our current Foreign Policy creating more terrorists? Why do they hate us so much?

And most importantly, is peace even a goal anymore?
 
Does this mean that you can keep your shoes on in the airport now?

I'm glad he is dead but you have to ask yourself where does it all end. If you think it's when the "last one" is killed then you are kidding yourself. There is no winning this war. Ultimately, it boils down to this...is America/the rest of the world safer now or will someone else just step up and take his place? Every time you kill someone or torture someone, you are making them stronger. These guys are replaceable, there is no mastermind, someone else just takes his place.

This is what we should be asking ourselves. Why are there groups like Al Qaeda? Is our current Foreign Policy creating more terrorists? Why do they hate us so much?

And most importantly, is peace even a goal anymore?

Because they're assholes. There will always be assholes in the world, hence the reason to kill them, so as to keep the asshole population to a manageble level.
 
............. Every time you kill someone or torture someone, you are making them stronger ..............

Sorry, but you took major excessive liberties with that. Even when we torture someone, the "torture" does not make anyone stronger. Its the propaganda derived by the actions of a political party, that puts their own power over national security, that makes the enemy stronger. Not the torture. Its the Democrats that make the enemy stronger, and it ain't close.

As for suggesting that killing the enemy is not the best option ... you go and appease them. I already know which is better. You need to learn is all.
 
I'm not in at all worried about Awlaki being an American citizen. He joined al Qaeda and started waging war against the U.S. through terroristic acts. He therefore lost any rights he may have had when he became a traitor to his country.

President Obama seemed to have no qualms about Awlaki's American roots. "Awlaki was the leader of external operations for al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula," Mr. Obama said after Friday's attack. "In that role, he took the lead in planning and directing efforts to murder innocent Americans".

Both quotes from CBS News Underlining mine

Samir Khan, another American member of al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula and two passengers were also killed. But Awlaki was the main target. He had narrowly escaped an earlier drone strike the week after the Bin Laden raid, and this time the U.S. was taking no chances.

and finally:

The Justice Department wrote a secret memorandum authorizing the lethal targeting of Anwar al-Aulaqi, the American-born radical cleric who was killed by a U.S. drone strike Friday, according to administration officials.

The document was produced following a review of the legal issues raised by striking a U.S. citizen and involved senior lawyers from across the administration. There was no dissent about the legality of killing Aulaqi, the officials said.

“What constitutes due process in this case is a due process in war,” said one of the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss closely held deliberations within the administration.

The administration has faced a legal challenge and public criticism for targeting Aulaqi, who was born in New Mexico, because of constitutional protections afforded U.S. citizens. The memorandum may represent an attempt to resolve, at least internally, a legal debate over whether a president can order the killing of U.S. citizens overseas as a counterterrorism measure.
Underlining mine Link
 
"Out here, due process is a bullet" --John Wayne in The Green Berets
 
Does this mean that you can keep your shoes on in the airport now?

I'm glad he is dead but you have to ask yourself where does it all end. If you think it's when the "last one" is killed then you are kidding yourself. There is no winning this war. Ultimately, it boils down to this...is America/the rest of the world safer now or will someone else just step up and take his place? Every time you kill someone or torture someone, you are making them stronger. These guys are replaceable, there is no mastermind, someone else just takes his place.

This is what we should be asking ourselves. Why are there groups like Al Qaeda? Is our current Foreign Policy creating more terrorists? Why do they hate us so much?

And most importantly, is peace even a goal anymore?

I'm glad you asked that question. This is something we rarely asked after 9/11 happened.

To truly understand, you have to go back to 1953 Iranian coup d'état where out CIA overthrew the Iranians govt for their oil.

Even before 9/11 there possibly wasn't a year where we didn't bomb Iraq. Also in the 9/11 commission report, it was said that we had a military base in a area of Saudi Arabia that is consider Holy Land to them. I believe Ron Paul tried to explain this to the GOP in 2008 but they've spun it as "Ron Paul said the American people are to blame for 9/11" when he meant our foreign policy. Then they force us the story that they hate us because of our freedom.

This was in the time were everyone wanted to stay in Iraq for 8,10,12 more years, preemptive nuking Iran and what not. Seriously, Ron Paul has balls of steel as no politician dare drop the truth bomb on us on that stage. It was like hearing 11 people repeat the same thing but not him.



You can also listen to our enemies like Osama who put out a video out each week lol. It's on youtube, translated and you can listen to some of his reasons why they attacked us. Although I know people won't even consider this part. But it is critical to understanding their point of view to make a correct judgement. Just like in life, you hear both sides of the story, research it thoroughly and come to a conclusion.

This is why we need to revisit our foreign policy and learn the concept of "blow black". Actually, it's pretty simple, you punch me, im going to punch you back. Another easy example would be in the Mayweather fight where that dude headbutt Mayweather, then Mayweather sucker punch him back. It was cheap but he had it coming.

Another thing is we need to learn is that the middle east doesn't belong to us. Yes I know that is a hard concept to understand to everyone but that is not our land. It is like China deciding to invade us here, set up bases in our neighborhood and decide our rights means nothing to them. You damn for sure I'm going to fight back, just give me a gun. I don't care what the purpose they came here for or what there government calls me.

My thoughts is that we use our national defense" to actually be "defensive" :-D. Our military guard our borders, guard our sensitive facilities, and what have you.

But don't worry, no matter what anyone wants, all our troops are coming home. We're on the same path as the Soviet Union. "The Soviet economy was slowly becoming stagnant, whilst military spending went through the roof. ..and the Soviets threw more money at the military". Eventually they all had to come home, poor and broke. We will have to leave Iraq eventually and there is a possibly Al-Qaeda or whatever group will take control again. We can't hold out there forever and will depend on there people on what they want as a government. The lesson we should take out of this is how we handle Vietnam. We accomplished more in peace & trade then war.

Anyway there is a lot of research you can do on our foreign policy if you're interested. Some stuff will shock you so beware :-D. I'm to lazy to go through all that history.
 
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So the US extrajudicially assassinated one of its own citizens?

I know, isn't it great that our government can take out one of your hero's and avoid the expense of incarceration and trial. And besides he was on the FBI's most wanted list, dead or alive.
 
I'm glad you asked that question. This is something we rarely asked after 9/11 happened.

To truly understand, you have to go back to 1953 Iranian coup d'état were out CIA overthrew the Iranians govt for their oil.

Even before 9/11 there possibly wasn't a year where we didn't bomb Iraq. Also in the 9/11 commission report, it was said that we had a military base in a area of Saudi Arabia that is consider Holy Land to them. I believe Ron Paul tried to explain this to the GOP in 2008 but they've spun it as "Ron Paul said the American people are to blame for 9/11" when he meant our foreign policy. Then they force us the story that they hate us because of our freedom.

This was in the time were everyone wanted to stay in Iraq for 8,10,12 more years, preemptive nuking Iran and what not. Seriously, Ron Paul has balls of steel as no politician dare drop the truth bomb on us on that stage. It was like hearing 11 people repeat the same thing but not him.



This is why we need to revisit our foreign policy and learn the concept of "blow black". Actually, it's pretty simple, you punch me, im going to punch you back. Another easy example would be in the Mayweather fight where that dude headbutt Mayweather, then Mayweather sucker punch him back. It was cheap but he had it coming.

Another thing is we need to learn is that the middle east doesn't belong to us. Yes I know that is a hard concept to understand to everyone but that is not our land. It is like China deciding to invade us here, set up bases in our neighborhood and decide our rights means nothing to them. You damn for sure I'm going to fight back, just give me a gun. I don't care what the purpose they came here for or what there government calls me.

My thoughts is that we use our national defense" to actually be "defensive" :-D. Our military guard our borders, guard our sensitive facilities, and what have you.

But don't worry, no matter what anyone wants, all our troops are coming home. We're on the same path as the Soviet Union. "The Soviet economy was slowly becoming stagnant, whilst military spending went through the roof. ..and the Soviets threw more money at the military". Eventually they all had to come home, poor and broke. We will have to leave Iraq eventually and there is a possibly Al-Qaeda or whatever group will take control again. We can't hold out there forever and will depend on there people on what they want as a government. The lesson we should take out of this is how we handle Vietnam. We accomplished more in peace & trade then war.

Anyway there is a lot of research you can do on our foreign policy if you're interested. Some stuff will shock you so beware :-D


So, we should just sit back and let the Commies and the Muslim nut jobs do as they please? I'm thinking that wouldn't be a good idea.

That makes as much sense as declining to aid England during WW2, because it might have pissed off the Germans.
 
So, we should just sit back and let the Commies and the Muslim nut jobs do as they please? I'm thinking that wouldn't be a good idea.

That makes as much sense as declining to aid England during WW2, because it might have pissed off the Germans.

Why are they nut jobs is a question you should be asking.

Japan attacked us at Pearl Harbor and we went into ww2 full force.
 
Why are they nut jobs is a question you should be asking.

Japan attacked us at Pearl Harbor and we went into ww2 full force.

The culture, the religion. You're probably going to suggest that the United States created all those nut job, but just ain't true.
 
The culture, the religion. You're probably going to suggest that the United States created all those nut job, but just ain't true.

I'm asking if our foreign policy did anything to give them motive to attack us

Also congrats to me on my 300th post :-D. I get a second hammer thingy below my name.
 
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I'm asking if our foreign policy did anything to give them motive to attack us

Also congrats to me on my 300th post :-D. I get a second hammer thingy below my name.

In a technical sense, there's no doubt, but that doesn't excuse their actions, nor does it mean that there is anything wrong with our foreign policy toward the ME, aside from our foreign policy not being tough enough toward Muslim extremists.
 
Because they're assholes. There will always be assholes in the world, hence the reason to kill them, so as to keep the asshole population to a manageble level.
Honestly apdst, I don't know what the answer is. You kill one asshole and another appears. What changes? No one answered my question. Can we leave our shoes on in the airports now? Of course not. Now we can all sit here and congratulate ourselves on the fact that this one particular asshole is dead but it doesn't change a thing adpst. This is what we have to look forward to for the rest of our lives and when/if we have children that's what they have to look forward to as well.

Does anyone believe that peace is still a goal?
 
Honestly apdst, I don't know what the answer is. You kill one asshole and another appears. What changes? No one answered my question. Can we leave our shoes on in the airports now? Of course not. Now we can all sit here and congratulate ourselves on the fact that this one particular asshole is dead but it doesn't change a thing adpst. This is what we have to look forward to for the rest of our lives and when/if we have children that's what they have to look forward to as well.

Does anyone believe that peace is still a goal?

The answer is to rain down more death and destruction on the enemy. When was the last time that Germany, or Japan tried to pull some **** on another country?
 
In a technical sense, there's no doubt, but that doesn't excuse their actions, nor does it mean that there is anything wrong with our foreign policy toward the ME, aside from our foreign policy not being tough enough toward Muslim extremists.

Well there is no doubt our foreign policy played a huge role in why they attacked us on 9/11. But we all agree, two wrongs don't make a right.
What did we do after we both took shots at each other? We invaded two countries and bomb three others that had nothing to do with 9//11. We didn't even touch Saudi Arabia where majority of the terrorist came from whom attacked us. We've also killed thousands of innocent civilians in the process while disrespecting other nations sovereignty. We aren't making any friends and soon will have to leave just because our economy won't be able to handle it. Aka Soviet Union repeat.

The answer is to rain down more death and destruction on the enemy. When was the last time that Germany, or Japan tried to pull some **** on another country?

The simple answer is trade. After the war, we traded with Japan and develop relations (not sure about Germany right after). We accomplished more in peace & trade then we've ever did in war. Same with the Vietnamese after the Vietnam war.
 
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Well there is no doubt our foreign policy played a huge role in why they attacked us on 9/11. But we all agree, two wrongs don't make a right.

Our foreign policy was shaped as it was, because of their crap, to begin with.

What did we do after we both took shots at each other? We invaded two countries and bomb three others that had nothing to do with 9//11. We didn't even touch Saudi Arabia where majority of the terrorist came from whom attacked us. We've also killed thousands of innocent civilians in the process while disrespecting other nations sovereignty. We aren't making any friends and soon will have to leave just because our economy won't be able to handle it. Aka Soviet Union repeat.

Actually, one of those countries had alot to do with 9/11 and those civilians wouldn't have died, if they hadn't sat on their asses while a bloodthirsty bunch twisted ********ers were killing innocents elsewhere.



The simple answer is trade. After the war, we traded with Japan and develop relations (not sure about Germany right after). We accomplished more in peace & trade then we've ever did in war. Same with the Vietnamese after the Vietnam war.

The actual answer, is we gave them such an ass whippin' that going to war was the last thing on their minds.
 
Our foreign policy was shaped as it was, because of their crap, to begin with.

Actually, one of those countries had alot to do with 9/11 and those civilians wouldn't have died, if they hadn't sat on their asses while a bloodthirsty bunch twisted ********ers were killing innocents elsewhere.

The actual answer, is we gave them such an ass whippin' that going to war was the last thing on their minds.

Im sorry, did Saddam attack us on 9/11? And last I check 16 of the 19 hjackers that came from Saudi Arabia whom we didn't attack. I wonder why....

Also we sure gave those Vietnamese a whoopin!

And if I remember correctly the japanese wanted to suicide themselves before letting America come in and take over there country (sounds familiar). There is still a lot of resentment over the two nukes we dropped but over or trade and relations since then, it doesn't serve anyone to cause a war.
 
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Im sorry, did Saddam attack us on 9/11?

I didn't say he did, nor was I talking about Iraq. However, Saddam did support terrorism, which made him a target of oppurtunity.


And last I check 16 of the 19 hjackers that came from Saudi Arabia whom we didn't attack. I wonder why....

One thing at a time.

Also we sure gave those Vietnamese a whoopin!

We sure did, but we had a Democrat Congress that didn't fail to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

And if I remember correctly the japanese wanted to suicide themselves before letting America come in and take over there country (sounds familiar).

And, they lost the war. See a pattern?



There is still a lot of resentment over the two nukes we dropped but over or trade and relations since then, it doesn't serve anyone to cause a war.

All they going to do is be mad about it, too.
 
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