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    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Funny. I don't like Nijato. He nearly always grates on me. On the other hand I do like you. I agree with you far more often than I disagree.
    in this case I disagree. I do t believe he changed the context. I do not believe he was lying. I do not believe it is inappropriate.

    I can certainly think for myself about what is or is not appropriate, whether I have any power to enforce my beliefs or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You needn't be aware of any "conventions". It s simply honorable to try and get the context and intent of what the person on the other side is saying. Some feel that changing the words in another persons post is acceptable as well. These people tend to belong to the same political persuasion.


    Who cares what you think? You don't distort the intent of what the other person is saying according to what you think.
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    Of course you were being dishonest and that fact is being broadly recognized.


    Not relevant.
    I feel like this has just about exhausted itself. For one last time, I will attempt to defend myself from the claim of dishonesty. Clearly, people disagree about substantive issues, but my pesonal character is being mailgned here.

    So, if you are of the oppinion that my truncating of 82s post was too severe and that important context was lost, fine. Point conceeded. My doing so was not dishonest even if you believe that.

    As I explained previously, I did not include context because it was irrelevant to my point - no matter what that context was. So, you may think my reasoning is faulty, or I am the evil liberal menace or whatever, but the fact of the matter is I made no attempt to decieve anyone. As far as my point, the "wrap a towel around your head" and "al-dirtbag" phrases would be pejorative in any context, excepting opposition.

    I'm sure there are myriad ways my arguments and assertions can be undermined, but dishonesty is one that will never accurately do so.

    And lastly, I do sincerely apologise for any hurt feelings of the thin-skinned; such was not my intent. I sometimes have a visceral reaction to percieved hatespeech that might be over-reactive.
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    Re: Yemen says U.S.-born al Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki killed

    Quote Originally Posted by nijato View Post
    Thanks for the support from an unexpected place! And yes, you would be near the last person I would have looked to for it. I'll keep looking really hard to find something you're right about and return the favor
    Ha. I cannot imagine that we would ever find anything we would agree on. But do look. Who knows.

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    Re: Yemen says U.S.-born al Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    If you violate the rights of others, you are breaking the law and indicted.
    Congress signed an Authorization of Use of Military Force in 2001, making the killing of Al-Awlaki legal. Al-Awlaki was a recruiter for Al-Qaeda, and collaborated at least three other terrorist attacks, including the shooting at FT Hood. He was a legitimate military target. His American citizenship is irrelevant, since he was actively fighting for the war-time enemies of the United States.

    If it makes you feel any better, the Yemeni government began an in absentia trial. The judge put out an order of arrest, declaring that he was to be brought in dead or alive. We chose dead.
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    Re: Yemen says U.S.-born al Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki killed

    Quote Originally Posted by nijato View Post
    I feel like this has just about exhausted itself. For one last time, I will attempt to defend myself from the claim of dishonesty. Clearly, people disagree about substantive issues, but my pesonal character is being mailgned here.

    So, if you are of the oppinion that my truncating of 82s post was too severe and that important context was lost, fine. Point conceeded. My doing so was not dishonest even if you believe that.

    As I explained previously, I did not include context because it was irrelevant to my point - no matter what that context was. So, you may think my reasoning is faulty, or I am the evil liberal menace or whatever, but the fact of the matter is I made no attempt to decieve anyone. As far as my point, the "wrap a towel around your head" and "al-dirtbag" phrases would be pejorative in any context, excepting opposition.

    I'm sure there are myriad ways my arguments and assertions can be undermined, but dishonesty is one that will never accurately do so.

    And lastly, I do sincerely apologise for any hurt feelings of the thin-skinned; such was not my intent. I sometimes have a visceral reaction to percieved hatespeech that might be over-reactive.
    Then lets let it go at that.

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    Re: Yemen says U.S.-born al Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki killed

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    BTW has anyone determined beyond a doubt that were purposely targeting that one individual...or did they target that area and he being an american hater and terrorist as he is...just happened to be there...
    They were targeting him solely (U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric - NYTimes.com)
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    Re: Yemen says U.S.-born al Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    Congress signed an Authorization of Use of Military Force in 2001, making the killing of Al-Awlaki legal. Al-Awlaki was a recruiter for Al-Qaeda, and collaborated at least three other terrorist attacks, including the shooting at FT Hood. He was a legitimate military target. His American citizenship is irrelevant, since he was actively fighting for the war-time enemies of the United States.

    If it makes you feel any better, the Yemeni government began an in absentia trial. The judge put out an order of arrest, declaring that he was to be brought in dead or alive. We chose dead.






    I thought his emails with the fort hood dude where religious councel in nature. Do you know the content of them? As in did he actually instruct the Fort Hood guy to do anything bad?

    Now it turns out 2 americans where killed in the drone attacks. Some writer for Inspire Magazine. A magazine that is reported to be a mouthpiece of AQ. News says Inspire magazine chides the Pres of Iran on lying about 9/11 yet this Al-Awlaki publicly denounces 9/11. Do you consider someone that writes for a magazine (maybe a magazine with extreme content) as a key operational figure for AQ?



    Anwar al-Awlaki: NYC on alert over possible revenge attacks after Al Qaeda boss killed | Mail Online





    After fully reading this next article it seems like speculation and the CIA run the country.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/07/wo...t/07yemen.html


    I wonder how many of the New York protestors are being sent to secret prisons for rioting around a time when a suspected US terrorist was killed. :p
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    Re: Yemen says U.S.-born al Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki killed

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/09/wo...pagewanted=all

    Based on those premises, the Justice Department concluded that Mr. Awlaki was covered by the authorization to use military force against Al Qaeda that Congress enacted shortly after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 — meaning that he was a lawful target in the armed conflict unless some other legal prohibition trumped that authority.
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    The memorandum examined whether it was relevant that Mr. Awlaki was in Yemen, far from Afghanistan. It concluded that Mr. Awlaki’s geographical distance from the so-called hot battlefield did not preclude him from the armed conflict; given his presumed circumstances, the United States still had a right to use force to defend itself against him.

    As to whether it would violate Yemen’s sovereignty to fire a missile at someone on Yemeni soil, Yemen’s president secretly granted the United States that permission, as secret diplomatic cables obtained by WikiLeaks have revealed.
    So lemme get this staight... Because the US is having armed conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq the US can target people in Yemen because its "close enough"?





    But that raised another pressing question: would it comply with the laws of war if the drone operator who fired the missile was a Central Intelligence Agency official, who, unlike a soldier, wore no uniform? The memorandum concluded that such a case would not be a war crime, although the operator might be in theoretical jeopardy of being prosecuted in a Yemeni court for violating Yemen’s domestic laws against murder, a highly unlikely possibility.


    So now the war on terror (fighting the guys with no uniforms) is being executed by warhawks not in uniform to subvert warcrime laws?
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    Re: Yemen says U.S.-born al Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki killed

    These fools cant even awnser basic questions. What is the point of this guy being a go-to guy for awnsers if he cant awnser crap?



    If the assassinated was a proven member of an extreemist group called "The Muslim Brotherhood" why would he denouce 9-11?
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