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    Re: White House asks Supreme Court to rule on healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    There's actually no way that the supreme court will be touching this any time soon. One of the prerequisites that a case must meet before being granted certiorari is actual harm. No one can claim to have been harmed by a provision that is not yet in effect.
    Then the prior courts ruling will stand and the mandate is unconstituional. Easy enough.

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    Re: White House asks Supreme Court to rule on healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    not politically - politically it just puts the energy back at the 2010 level. Either way, it's harder for him to get reelected.

    which means ( and this i find interesting ) potentially, that's a secondary consideration.
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    I don't see how you get back to 2010 levels. If found constitutional, one of the GOP's key arguments against health care reform is rendered moot. Such was not the case in 2010.
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    If you think the passion against Obamacare was driven by its' constitutionality rather than it's massive expansion of government into our lives and our economy.....
    That's not what a I said. It's a key argument, but not the only one and politically, that would be a win for Obama as it cannot be said then that healthcare reform is illegitimate.
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    Re: White House asks Supreme Court to rule on healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    How is that false? That's exactly what is happening. No one goes without any care in the US. Therefore, if you don't pay for it (if you need it) the rest of us do. It's the reason Conservatives and Heritage were all for it in the 90's. Individual responsibility and all of that.
    I keep on hearing this and I know I was paying attention but damn if I can remember this happening. Do you have a link?

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    Re: White House asks Supreme Court to rule on healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Since when has Democrats been the party of "choice". Saying a woman has the right to choose what she does with her body or who someone wants to marry is different than saying someone has the right to forgo insurance premiums because if they go to the hospital then everyone else covers it.
    I have no idea what your position is but we have many here and I see where those protesting on Wall Street have said that if they go to college everyone should have to cover it.

    I personally would prefer a Single Payer system which the rest of the world uses and has much lower medical costs. Instead, conservative prefer our currenct system where costs rise much higher than wage growth and is bankrupting the country. Your choice is sticking your fingers in your ears and pretending that there's nothing wrong that we don't have to change anything.
    Nobody is still argueing that Obamacare is going to lower costs. Any curtailment of costs will have to include tort reform which the Republicans tried to get included in Obamacare but were rebuffed.

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    Re: White House asks Supreme Court to rule on healthcare law

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    That's not what a I said. It's a key argument, but not the only one and politically, that would be a win for Obama as it cannot be said then that healthcare reform is illegitimate.
    you could call it a debate-point win that is nonetheless a Pyrrhic victory. those who think it is constitutional or not are unlikely to be swayed by the SCOTUS decision - they are simply both more likely to believe it reinforces the importance of having their president appointing the judges.

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    Re: White House asks Supreme Court to rule on healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    you could call it a debate-point win that is nonetheless a Pyrrhic victory. those who think it is constitutional or not are unlikely to be swayed by the SCOTUS decision - they are simply both more likely to believe it reinforces the importance of having their president appointing the judges.
    While you are correct it is sad that the court is thought of as another political branch of government.

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    Re: White House asks Supreme Court to rule on healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Since when has Democrats been the party of "choice".
    You're kidding, right?

    Saying a woman has the right to choose what she does with her body or who someone wants to marry is different than saying someone has the right to forgo insurance premiums because if they go to the hospital then everyone else covers it.
    You either support the right to make decisions regarding your personal life, or you don't.


    I personally would prefer a Single Payer system which the rest of the world uses and has much lower medical costs.
    Of course you do - more power for the government means less power for the people - all in the name of expanding the Dem voter base.

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    Re: White House asks Supreme Court to rule on healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    you could call it a debate-point win that is nonetheless a Pyrrhic victory. those who think it is constitutional or not are unlikely to be swayed by the SCOTUS decision - they are simply both more likely to believe it reinforces the importance of having their president appointing the judges.
    I feel you are down playing the importance of an affirmation by the SCOTUS. Were it struck down, it would be a blow to the president and the GOP would declare victory and capitalize on that. You are ignoring the upside for the president if the ruling is favorable, as I have stated it before.
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    Re: White House asks Supreme Court to rule on healthcare law

    I keep on hearing this and I know I was paying attention but damn if I can remember this happening. Do you have a link?
    It's tough finding origional sources because it was a long time ago and most people refrence it but here's the court case where a Heritage expert was quoted
    Court cites Heritage Foundation’s 1989 support for healthcare mandate in decision : USACTION NEWS
    GOP Leaders Backed a Healthcare Mandate

    Also keep in mind....the privatization of Social Security that Bush was putting out had a mandate to buy into retirement as well.

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    Re: White House asks Supreme Court to rule on healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    It's tough finding origional sources because it was a long time ago and most people refrence it but here's the court case where a Heritage expert was quoted
    Court cites Heritage Foundation’s 1989 support for healthcare mandate in decision : USACTION NEWS
    GOP Leaders Backed a Healthcare Mandate

    Also keep in mind....the privatization of Social Security that Bush was putting out had a mandate to buy into retirement as well.
    The rightwingers are all for mandates, except when they're against them (like when a Dem is president)

    The rightwing has no principles. All they have is a bunch of slogans that they repeat when convenient, and they throw their "principles" under the bus when they become inconvenient
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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