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    Re: White House asks Supreme Court to rule on healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Getting the supreme court to rule on this is a lose/lose crap for Obama.

    If it's found constitutional, while Obama doesn't have to defend if it's constitutional, he has to defend it's continued existence.

    If it's found unconstituitional, he has to defend that he signed off on a unconstitutional bill.

    The second scenario is worse but the first is bad as well. As I said lose/lose for Obama.
    I agree. Even if it is ruled Constitutional, that outcome will make it even more important to have BO removed next year so the new president can kill the law by simply ignoring it or having it repealed. A Constitutional ruling will trigger a massive surge in conservative voters next November.

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    Re: White House asks Supreme Court to rule on healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Getting the supreme court to rule on this is a lose/lose crap for Obama.

    If it's found constitutional, while Obama doesn't have to defend if it's constitutional, he has to defend it's continued existence.

    If it's found unconstituitional, he has to defend that he signed off on a unconstitutional bill.

    The second scenario is worse but the first is bad as well. As I said lose/lose for Obama.
    I don't agree it's lose/lose.


    If it's found unconstituitional, he has to defend that he signed off on a unconstitutional bill.
    If it's not found unconstitutional, then the GOP is aligned against a constitutional bill. That's a win as far as I can see and defending it becomes more easy. The charge that's it's unconstitutional, a key talking point, is rendered moot.
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    Re: White House asks Supreme Court to rule on healthcare law

    Does anyone REALLY think that Scalia will allow the court to strike down a law requiring people to buy things? Seriously? It puts more money into the pockets of big business. This is right up his alley. And he usually gets what he wants.
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    I could not care less if it is a win or lose for Obama or the GOP nominee. I submit getting a ruling from the SCOTUS now is a win for taxpayers and voters.
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    Re: White House asks Supreme Court to rule on healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    I don't agree it's lose/lose.




    If it's not found unconstitutional, then the GOP is aligned against a constitutional bill. That's a win as far as I can see and defending it becomes more easy. The charge that's it's unconstitutional, a key talking point, is rendered moot.
    That is a big 'if'....If you ask me, I think Obama believes that he has placed enough social justice libs on the court that he knows that this may be his last chance before getting the boot in the election, and he want's his legacy to be that he ruined America through this destructive bill.

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    Re: White House asks Supreme Court to rule on healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Getting the supreme court to rule on this is a lose/lose crap for Obama.

    If it's found constitutional, while Obama doesn't have to defend if it's constitutional, he has to defend it's continued existence.

    If it's found unconstituitional, he has to defend that he signed off on a unconstitutional bill.

    The second scenario is worse but the first is bad as well. As I said lose/lose for Obama.
    I've been trying to run this through my head and this seems to be the case to me also......so I figured there has to be something I'm missing. I have to think that Obama feels that if it's overturned it would charge up the base. He is hoping for a Citizens United reaction. He is hoping to then argue for government control of health care. Nothing to buy, you just pay your increased taxes.

    I'm not sure how that is going to go for him but to me it means his internal advisors are telling him that he needs something to run on in 2012.

    I support what he did in the end. It should be ruled on before the elections.

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    Re: White House asks Supreme Court to rule on healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Getting the supreme court to rule on this is a lose/lose crap for Obama.

    If it's found constitutional, while Obama doesn't have to defend if it's constitutional, he has to defend it's continued existence.

    If it's found unconstituitional, he has to defend that he signed off on a unconstitutional bill.

    The second scenario is worse but the first is bad as well. As I said lose/lose for Obama.
    If it's found constitutional Obama wins. Period.

    As a postscript, the American people also win, as it will discourage people who can afford insurance from freeloading on everyone else.

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    Re: White House asks Supreme Court to rule on healthcare law

    Instant Reaction: the administration evidently thought that if this case didn't come up until 2013, there was a good chance a Republican Solicitor General would choose not to defend it.

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    Re: White House asks Supreme Court to rule on healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs View Post
    I could not care less if it is a win or lose for Obama or the GOP nominee. I submit getting a ruling from the SCOTUS now is a win for taxpayers and voters.
    that is true. getting this thing tossed out would severely reduce much of the uncertainty in today's business climate.

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    Re: White House asks Supreme Court to rule on healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    I don't agree it's lose/lose.




    If it's not found unconstitutional, then the GOP is aligned against a constitutional bill. That's a win as far as I can see and defending it becomes more easy. The charge that's it's unconstitutional, a key talking point, is rendered moot.
    I disagree. I think it is lose/lose for Obama. The majority of Americans don't want Obamacare. No matter the outcome, making this headline news just before the election will polarize the nation even more. Voters, in return, will show their displeasure at the polls.
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