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    Re: White House asks Supreme Court to rule on healthcare law

    Thanks for the link. I tried to read through it to gather context and well, I'm not going to make it. LOL

    Your link notes something was argued in 1989. Hillarycare was fought against after that and no attempts were made under Bush to force people to buy insurance so at best I'd say that someone with the Heritage Foundation made some sort of arguement in the late 80's.................
    Well, I want to say that the employer mandate is what Heritage offered the individual mandate against. I'm not totally sure though so don't quote me on that.

    S.S. is a tax that already requires that.
    Yes, and if we had a universal payer system there would be no constitutionality questions because it would basically be medicare for all. The issue was Bush was saying people had to open a personal account with a private firm and invest in that private firm which is essentially the same thing as forcing people to buy private insurance.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big fan of the private mandate at all. Republicans haven't offered any alternative at all besides tort reform or selling across state lines. The first would make a negligible blip in the cost of insurance and the second...we'd see a race to unregulated states as the base for insurance companies.

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    Re: White House asks Supreme Court to rule on healthcare law

    No... you're in a bind and you're trying to come up with excuses to not address what's been put to you.
    I have...which is the whole "not harmed anyone" aspect...which is pretty much the linch pin of your argument and based on this fanciful what if scenario.

    Using your logic...why have any laws whatesover! Everybody would choose to do the right thing!

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    Re: White House asks Supreme Court to rule on healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Pretend YOU own a medical facility. Pretend there is no insurance, so the only way YOU get paid for services rendered, is if those customer (patients) can afford, and pay, for those services. Now, in this imaginary world, think about what is going to make the most money for yourself?
    Rightwing arguments only work in the same place their "free market" exists....an imaginary world, where everything is pretend
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: White House asks Supreme Court to rule on healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I have...
    At this point, its clear you're only interested in being as willfully dishonest as you can.
    When you think you have the capacity to honestly and actually address the points put to you, please let me know.

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    Re: White House asks Supreme Court to rule on healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    At this point, its clear you're only interested in being as willfully dishonest as you can.
    When you think you have the capacity to honestly and actually address the points put to you, please let me know.
    Ok, whatever makes you feel better.

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    Re: White House asks Supreme Court to rule on healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Ok, whatever makes you feel better.
    Actually, it saddens me greately that you cannot be honest enough - at least w/ yourself - to address these questions I put to you.
    But, that's what happens when dogma overpowers reason.

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    Re: White House asks Supreme Court to rule on healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Yes, and if we had a universal payer system there would be no constitutionality questions because it would basically be medicare for all. The issue was Bush was saying people had to open a personal account with a private firm and invest in that private firm which is essentially the same thing as forcing people to buy private insurance.
    Yes, if the program had been one of where everyone simply has coverage and taxes were created to cover the costs, that would have been IMO constitutional. I do not recall Bush's arguement but I would have opposed that arguement.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big fan of the private mandate at all. Republicans haven't offered any alternative at all besides tort reform or selling across state lines. The first would make a negligible blip in the cost of insurance and the second...we'd see a race to unregulated states as the base for insurance companies.
    I dislike the arguement that something would only make a small difference. Everything added together makes a much larger difference and nothing should be excluded. I'm not against trying to come up with a system to cover everyone but everything must be reformed for it to work.

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    Re: White House asks Supreme Court to rule on healthcare law

    I dislike the arguement that something would only make a small difference. Everything added together makes a much larger difference and nothing should be excluded. I'm not against trying to come up with a system to cover everyone but everything must be reformed for it to work.
    I agree..I don't discount it because it makes a small difference, but I'd like to see a working plan that would actually make a difference. If you just remove tort reform and walk away like mission accomplished than all you've done is limit the right of individuals to sue. you didn't really fix anything.

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