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    Re: White House asks Supreme Court to rule on healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    It's tough finding origional sources because it was a long time ago and most people refrence it but here's the court case where a Heritage expert was quoted
    Court cites Heritage Foundation’s 1989 support for healthcare mandate in decision : USACTION NEWS
    GOP Leaders Backed a Healthcare Mandate
    Thanks for the link. I tried to read through it to gather context and well, I'm not going to make it. LOL

    Your link notes something was argued in 1989. Hillarycare was fought against after that and no attempts were made under Bush to force people to buy insurance so at best I'd say that someone with the Heritage Foundation made some sort of arguement in the late 80's.................

    Also keep in mind....the privatization of Social Security that Bush was putting out had a mandate to buy into retirement as well.
    S.S. is a tax that already requires that.

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    Re: White House asks Supreme Court to rule on healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Is anyone else here tired of these mindless generalizations?
    There is a solution.

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    Re: White House asks Supreme Court to rule on healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    So long as there is cancer, there will be demand for cancer treatment.
    That people pay for it themselves means there will always be competition in the market.
    Competition always reduces prices and improves quality.
    Sorry but that statement is absurd when you talking healthcare...only the richest in the country could even possibly consider having the money to pay for long term cancer care, treatment and medications.

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    Re: White House asks Supreme Court to rule on healthcare law

    There is only one absolute in the healthcare debate...the haves in this country are never going to get out of paying for the have nots that dont have health care...one way or another your going to pay. Whether its universal health care or a form of it or whether its exactly the way it is now...taxpayers subsidize hospitals and doctors that in the emergency room where everyone goes that do not have healthcare...
    In florida in my county every homeowner has a tax levy to pay for indigent care to people without health insurance and cant pay at the local hospital...
    So instead of all this back and forth....sooner or later someone has got to get both sides together and figure something out....whats stopping it and always has is the rich do not want to pay a dime for anyone else...problem is they are and always have been anyway.

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    Re: White House asks Supreme Court to rule on healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Sorry but that statement is absurd when you talking healthcare...only the richest in the country could even possibly consider having the money to pay for long term cancer care, treatment and medications.
    Which is a two pronged problem. My mom recently beat cancer. We were talking today and she told me she had 3 pills when she started chemo that cost $500. She says her pills now would be $400 a month. She has insurance so she can afford the $25 co-pay but there is no way anyone can continue to pay $500 for 3 pills. That must be addresssed but it's not going to be.

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    Re: White House asks Supreme Court to rule on healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Demand requires someone willing to purchase or able to at a certain price. I don't think you understand the demand curve. Just because demand is there at a lower price does not mean the price drops.
    It does if the suppliers want to move their goods/services. Otherwise they're stuck with something they cannot sell.


    Nothing you have posted here counters anything I said.

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    Re: White House asks Supreme Court to rule on healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    I feel you are down playing the importance of an affirmation by the SCOTUS.
    maybe, but i doubt it. people's minds aren't just made up about this - they are solidly made up. the numbers disapproving of Obamacare have stayed high since it's passage.

    Were it struck down, it would be a blow to the president and the GOP would declare victory and capitalize on that.
    that is true, but from the opposite direction - it would harm the President because it risks demoralizing his base. it also harms the GOP because, while it somewhat solidifies an image of inevitability, it also takes out not a little of our base's passion.

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    Re: White House asks Supreme Court to rule on healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Am I in bizarro world?
    No... you're in a bind and you're trying to come up with excuses to not address what's been put to you.

    Fact of the matter is you want to remove a choice that harms no one.
    Fact of the matter is you want to penalize people that create no burden on others
    Fact of the matter is you want to make people responsible for costs incurred by others
    Fact of the matter is you have no way to justify these positions and are doing all you can to avoid addressing them.

    Please, do contine to illustrate the absolute truth of these statements.
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    Re: White House asks Supreme Court to rule on healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Sorry but that statement is absurd when you talking healthcare...only the richest in the country could even possibly consider having the money to pay for long term cancer care, treatment and medications.
    Your statement ignores, rather than addresses, the point.

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    Re: White House asks Supreme Court to rule on healthcare law

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    There is only one absolute in the healthcare debate...the haves in this country are never going to get out of paying for the have nots that dont have health care
    Why/how am I responsible for the costs of goods/services provided to those who could not pay for them?

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