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    Judge: Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial

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    this psychotic schizophrenic...is actually going to stand trial for his crimes?

    how can he be held accountable for crimes that he committed while totally bonkers, just because he is now being medicated by the govt. and has regained his marbles?

    of course he is going go say he did it, he feels remorse for it, but he was out of his mind at the time.

    just medicate this guy for life and he'll probably never hurt a fly.

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    re: Judge: Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial

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    this psychotic schizophrenic...is actually going to stand trial for his crimes?

    how can he be held accountable for crimes that he committed while totally bonkers, just because he is now being medicated by the govt. and has regained his marbles?

    of course he is going go say he did it, he feels remorse for it, but he was out of his mind at the time.

    just medicate this guy for life and he'll probably never hurt a fly.
    Even the insane make decisions. just not based on our social standards.
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    re: Judge: Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial

    he's gonna plead insanity, the jury and judge will agree. lets just save the red tape

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    re: Judge: Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    he's gonna plead insanity, the jury and judge will agree. lets just save the red tape
    I say we give a 9mm handgun to Giffords and let her shoot him in the head. Then they'd be even.

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    re: Judge: Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial

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    he's gonna plead insanity, the jury and judge will agree. lets just save the red tape
    Seriously? Let's all just skip due process?

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    re: Judge: Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Judge: Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial - Yahoo! News

    this psychotic schizophrenic...is actually going to stand trial for his crimes?

    how can he be held accountable for crimes that he committed while totally bonkers, just because he is now being medicated by the govt. and has regained his marbles?

    of course he is going go say he did it, he feels remorse for it, but he was out of his mind at the time.

    just medicate this guy for life and he'll probably never hurt a fly.
    "Competent to stand trial" is a fairly/very low standard. The defendant must have some idea what the charges are and some ability to assist his counsel in his defense. (Note that he's being medicated against his will, which I find very interesting.)

    Until he is declared competent, he can't take a plea. So, the trial or no trial decision point has yet to be reached....and when it is, there's no certainty he'll defend on legal insanity or that it'll be successful if he does. It very rarely is.

    I'm too lazy to research the Arizona standard for legal insanity but most states use the M'naughton Rule: unable to tell right from wrong, essentially. Medically, he's certainly mentally ill but that doesn't correlate to an acquittal.

    It's also possible (though too soon to tell) that the DA will refuse to offer a plea, because they want the death penalty -- that is essentially what just happened here in Cleveland, in the Anthony Sowell case.

    Last but not least, if Loughner knew that going off his meds could result in violence and did so anyway WHILE SANE (legally), in some states, he's as guilty as any healthy person.

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    re: Judge: Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial

    That scumbag should get the death penalty.He couldn't have been too insane if he researched what would happen if he got caught,which basically shows that he knew right from wrong.

    Report: AZ Suspect Jared Loughner Researched Political Assassinations Fox News Insider
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    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    re: Judge: Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    That scumbag should get the death penalty.He couldn't have been too insane if he researched what would happen if he got caught,which basically shows that he knew right from wrong.

    Report: AZ Suspect Jared Loughner Researched Political Assassinations Fox News Insider
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/27/us/27giffords.html
    It's not likely anyone who plans to the degree he did and also plans an escape is going to succeed on an insanity plea.

    Personally, I think all the states need a "guilty but insane" verdict. Confine the defendant in a mental hospital for the criminally insane for as long as need be, and if they recover, move them to a prison to serve out their time.

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    re: Judge: Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    It's not likely anyone who plans to the degree he did and also plans an escape is going to succeed on an insanity plea.


    The fact he researched what would happen proves that he knows right from wrong and that he knew that committing mass murder would get him into serious trouble.


    Personally, I think all the states need a "guilty but insane" verdict. Confine the defendant in a mental hospital for the criminally insane for as long as need be, and if they recover, move them to a prison to serve out their time.
    States should have a "it doesn't matter if he is insane or not, he is still guilty and thus will get the same punishment anyone else who committed mass murder would get which is the death penalty or life without parole in a real prison" verdict.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    re: Judge: Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial

    The point, though, is that the states don't. The laws are what they are, and even a Jarod Loughner deserves and can benefit or suffer from the laws under which he committed his crimes..not what "should" or "could" be.

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