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    re: Judge: Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial

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    who do you think may have framed him?
    Anything I said to you would be pure speculation. But if you really wanted me to speculate something/anything. I would have to place my bet on someone that already had him profiled as a terrorist before this happened. Some sorta rogue agent. My view is of pure intuition and not much fact though.
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    re: Judge: Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Yea, this caught my eye too. I'm no expert, but I had thought forced meds were unconstitutional.
    Here's a link that explains some of this troubling issue: FindLaw's Writ - Cassel: Medicating the Mentally Ill for Trial and Execution

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    Re: Judge: Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Yea, this caught my eye too. I'm no expert, but I had thought forced meds were unconstitutional.
    I'm not sure about unconstitutional, but it's definitely some shady ****.
    I love the NSA. It's like having a secret fan-base you will never see, but they're there, watching everything you write and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that I may be some person's only form of unconstitutional entertainment one night.

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    Re: Judge: Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Anything I said to you would be pure speculation. But if you really wanted me to speculate something/anything. I would have to place my bet on someone that already had him profiled as a terrorist before this happened. Some sorta rogue agent. My view is of pure intuition and not much fact though.
    you can say that again

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    Re: Judge: Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial

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    you can say that again
    I find it better (for me) than basing my views on peer pressure.
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    Re: Judge: Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    O, I do think the vitriolic speech, especially Palin's, could well have affected Loughner. But exactly how it fit into his delusion, we may never know.
    No, you don't know but you'll make the accusation anyway.

    This is yet another example of the sort of crazy speculation that went on following the murder of those six people, including a little girl. It was especially the fault of Sarah Palin, according to you, that this little girl was killed.

    There is a madness sweeping America.

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    Re: Judge: Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No, you don't know but you'll make the accusation anyway.

    This is yet another example of the sort of crazy speculation that went on following the murder of those six people, including a little girl. It was especially the fault of Sarah Palin, according to you, that this little girl was killed.

    There is a madness sweeping America.
    Ah, this again. In brief:

    We have crazy people in this country. Some may become violent. When a public speaker uses violent imagery and speech, and that causes an uproar, it adds the fuel that MAY someday cause someone to go off the rails.

    This does not make Palin legally guilty. It makes her refusal to tone it down morally reprehensible, and it's painfully ironic that one person who asked her to do so before the shooting was Gifford herself.

    Now, you can continue to defend this as "no causal link can be proven", or you can accept that our actions may have unintended consequences. You have your POV, I have mine.

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    Re: Judge: Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Ah, this again. In brief:

    We have crazy people in this country. Some may become violent. When a public speaker uses violent imagery and speech, and that causes an uproar, it adds the fuel that MAY someday cause someone to go off the rails.

    This does not make Palin legally guilty. It makes her refusal to tone it down morally reprehensible, and it's painfully ironic that one person who asked her to do so before the shooting was Gifford herself.

    Now, you can continue to defend this as "no causal link can be proven", or you can accept that our actions may have unintended consequences. You have your POV, I have mine.
    The murderer is insane yet you still contend, without saying where or how, that it was Sarah Palin who contributed to his murdering six innocent people. You have no proof whatsoever that this was the case at all yet will continue to defend your baseless charges. It is these sort of ridiculous and hateful accusations that is poisoning debate in the United States and, with few exceptions, it comes from the Left. You are contributing towards the hatred and yet seem to believe you are behaving in a rational manner.

    Sound familiar?

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    Re: Judge: Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs View Post
    Jared Loughner has paranoid schizophrenia. Paranoid schizophrenia: Symptoms - MayoClinic.com

    The ability to research how to kill or the consequences of killing do not necessarily mean that this man was not totally convinced by his delusions or auditory hallucinations that he must kill Gifford in self-defense. That he now has remorse is a pretty good indication that he was operating under a delusion that he now realizes was bogus.
    good reason we should have a "guilty by reason of insanity" and not "inocent by reason of insanity" for the jury or judge to decide on.
    Just because he may not be connected to our world and he doesn't understand our social standards/laws is no excuse.
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    Re: Judge: Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The murderer is insane yet you still contend, without saying where or how, that it was Sarah Palin who contributed to his murdering six innocent people. You have no proof whatsoever that this was the case at all yet will continue to defend your baseless charges. It is these sort of ridiculous and hateful accusations that is poisoning debate in the United States and, with few exceptions, it comes from the Left. You are contributing towards the hatred and yet seem to believe you are behaving in a rational manner.

    Sound familiar?
    Grant, this is a fun debate for me, but it hijacks the thread. Start a new one and I'll join you, I promise.

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