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    re: Judge: Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Wait, I thought this guy was a Right Wing extremist, who shot a Democrat congress critter, because he was told to buy Sarah Palin, or something.
    Loughner is a well-documented schizophrenic. His thought processes wouldn't make sense to anyone but him.

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    re: Judge: Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial

    I don't think "insanity" should get you out of going to trial.... it can, however, be used as a defense or mitigating factor.

    I think we all know he's guilty ( well, all minus 1 or 2 people in the nation).. but a trial still needs to happen to give him his day in court.
    ( i'm not a fan of locking a person away for life in a mental ward without a trial)

    it's doubtful he'll fry...he should, but he probably won't.
    personally, I feel that if you don't know that mass murder is wrong... you really need to exit the gene pool for good.

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    re: Judge: Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    "Competent to stand trial" is a fairly/very low standard. The defendant must have some idea what the charges are and some ability to assist his counsel in his defense. (Note that he's being medicated against his will, which I find very interesting.)

    Until he is declared competent, he can't take a plea. So, the trial or no trial decision point has yet to be reached....and when it is, there's no certainty he'll defend on legal insanity or that it'll be successful if he does. It very rarely is.

    I'm too lazy to research the Arizona standard for legal insanity but most states use the M'naughton Rule: unable to tell right from wrong, essentially. Medically, he's certainly mentally ill but that doesn't correlate to an acquittal.

    It's also possible (though too soon to tell) that the DA will refuse to offer a plea, because they want the death penalty -- that is essentially what just happened here in Cleveland, in the Anthony Sowell case.

    Last but not least, if Loughner knew that going off his meds could result in violence and did so anyway WHILE SANE (legally), in some states, he's as guilty as any healthy person.

    It doesnt help him that he shot a well liked Congresswoman...this guy has zero breaks coming....he was sane enough to plan to get a gun and be where she was in public and attempt to kill her...

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    re: Judge: Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial

    I dont get how this is a shock to anyone... Uhhh yea he is going on trial... Its quite normal...


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    re: Judge: Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Wait, I thought this guy was a Right Wing extremist, who shot a Democrat congress critter, because he was told to buy Sarah Palin, or something.
    I seem to recall the same!

    Liberal Arizona sheriff Clarence Dupnik sees cause of violence - Andy Barr - POLITICO.com

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/10/op...rssnyt&emc=rss

    As well, of course, we had the same wacky leftists on these boards making the same claims.

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    re: Judge: Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I dont get how this is a shock to anyone... Uhhh yea he is going on trial... Its quite normal...
    I think the 'shock' is coming from them using medications to uncrazy him long enough for trial and sentencing.
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    re: Judge: Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I seem to recall the same!

    Liberal Arizona sheriff Clarence Dupnik sees cause of violence - Andy Barr - POLITICO.com

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/10/op...rssnyt&emc=rss

    As well, of course, we had the same wacky leftists on these boards making the same claims.
    O, I do think the vitriolic speech, especially Palin's, could well have affected Loughner. But exactly how it fit into his delusion, we may never know.

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    re: Judge: Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    I think the 'shock' is coming from them using medications to uncrazy him long enough for trial and sentencing.
    Yea, this caught my eye too. I'm no expert, but I had thought forced meds were unconstitutional.

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    re: Judge: Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The fact he researched what would happen proves that he knows right from wrong and that he knew that committing mass murder would get him into serious trouble.
    Well that's why we have the courts. If it's that open and shut, the State will have no problem proving that he was mentally coherent at the time.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    States should have a "it doesn't matter if he is insane or not, he is still guilty and thus will get the same punishment anyone else who committed mass murder would get which is the death penalty or life without parole in a real prison" verdict.
    The State should have to follow the law. The government cannot be allowed to act on revenge.
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    re: Judge: Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial

    There're been instances of elderly drivers, who well knew they could no longer drive safely, plowing into pedestrians and injuring and killing many. We don't decide their punishment until we know more about their state of mind, competency, etc.

    IMO, same deal as with the violent mentally ill. We can't execute until we know more than just what they did.

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