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    re: Judge: Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The fact he researched what would happen proves that he knows right from wrong and that he knew that committing mass murder would get him into serious trouble.
    Probably not, James. It's more likely that he was looking to emulate other political assasins. It's still damaging evidence if he tries on an insanity defense.

    States should have a "it doesn't matter if he is insane or not, he is still guilty and thus will get the same punishment anyone else who committed mass murder would get which is the death penalty or life without parole in a real prison" verdict.
    If intent is no longer an element of the crime of murder, then the criminal law would be drastically changed. Accidents, even ones involving people having seizures or heart attacks, etc. would result in the same punishment as the most heinous murders. Our common sense of justice finds mercy for the child murderer, the retarded murderer, the murderer who was reckless but never intended to cause death, etc.

    Doesn't mean all these people escape punishment...but even if I supported the death penalty, I'd reserve it for the blackest of crimes. So for me, I want a trial if Loughner is going to be executed.....I want to see whatever evidence there may be that he might have been able to control his behavior, and did not.

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    re: Judge: Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial

    Jared Loughner has paranoid schizophrenia.
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    With paranoid schizophrenia, your ability to think and function in daily life may be better than with other types of schizophrenia. You may not have as many problems with memory, concentration or dulled emotions.....

    Delusions and hallucinations are the symptoms that make paranoid schizophrenia most distinct from other types of schizophrenia.
    * Delusions. In paranoid schizophrenia, a common delusion is that you're being singled out for harm. For instance, you may believe that the government is monitoring every move you make or that a co-worker is poisoning your lunch. You may also have delusions of grandeur the belief that you can fly, that you're famous or that you have a relationship with a famous person, for example. You hold on to these false beliefs despite evidence to the contrary. Delusions can result in aggression or violence if you believe you must act in self-defense against those who want to harm you.
    * Auditory hallucinations. An auditory hallucination is the perception of sound usually voices that no one else hears. The sounds may be a single voice or many voices. These voices may talk either to you or to each other. The voices are usually unpleasant. They may make ongoing criticisms of what you're thinking or doing, or make cruel comments about your real or imagined faults. Voices may also command you to do things that can be harmful to yourself or to others. When you have paranoid schizophrenia, these voices seem real. You may talk to or shout at the voices.
    * Other symptoms:
    Anxiety
    Anger
    Emotional distance
    Violence
    Argumentativeness
    Self-important or condescending manner
    Suicidal thoughts and behavior
    Paranoid schizophrenia: Symptoms - MayoClinic.com

    The ability to research how to kill or the consequences of killing do not necessarily mean that this man was not totally convinced by his delusions or auditory hallucinations that he must kill Gifford in self-defense. That he now has remorse is a pretty good indication that he was operating under a delusion that he now realizes was bogus.
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    re: Judge: Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Judge: Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial - Yahoo! News

    this psychotic schizophrenic...is actually going to stand trial for his crimes?
    It's definitely a moral gray area, but he killed a lot of people, including the attempted murder of a US Representative. They'll find any way they can to crucify his ass. Crazy or not.

    just medicate this guy for life and he'll probably never hurt a fly.
    That's not true at all.
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    re: Judge: Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial

    This whole thing still smells fishy. But this is comming from someone that doesn't take news reports as truth.

    A judge was meeting with an congresswoman off the recods and was assinated. Maybe this is some sorta huge clue. A judge teaming up with someone whos platform is congress on your street corner.

    Many of the orignal news reports where confictling when it comes to the facts that matters. (multiple suspects or lone suspects. Shots fired. Types of guns used. Types of guns found.)

    Until I see a the (supposed exsisting) video of Loughner pulling the trigger I will be scepticle he did it.
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    re: Judge: Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    This whole thing still smells fishy. But this is comming from someone that doesn't take news reports as truth.

    A judge was meeting with an congresswoman off the recods and was assinated. Maybe this is some sorta huge clue. A judge teaming up with someone whos platform is congress on your street corner.

    Many of the orignal news reports where confictling when it comes to the facts that matters. (multiple suspects or lone suspects. Shots fired. Types of guns used. Types of guns found.)

    Until I see a the (supposed exsisting) video of Loughner pulling the trigger I will be scepticle he did it.

    Well, I applaud your enthusiasm for the "innocent until proven guilty" standard. I think you are almost the only one who doesn't think he did it, though.

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    re: Judge: Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Well, I applaud your enthusiasm for the "innocent until proven guilty" standard. I think you are almost the only one who doesn't think he did it, though.
    I think that I don't know if he did it or not. I only know that alot of people have said he did it.
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    re: Judge: Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    I think that I don't know if he did it or not. I only know that alot of people have said he did it.
    I think it really is admirable you can keep such an open mind. It's what we're supposed to do....but most of us can't.

    In this case, I can't.

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    re: Judge: Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Judge: Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial - Yahoo! News

    this psychotic schizophrenic...is actually going to stand trial for his crimes?

    how can he be held accountable for crimes that he committed while totally bonkers, just because he is now being medicated by the govt. and has regained his marbles?

    of course he is going go say he did it, he feels remorse for it, but he was out of his mind at the time.

    just medicate this guy for life and he'll probably never hurt a fly.
    Wait, I thought this guy was a Right Wing extremist, who shot a Democrat congress critter, because he was told to buy Sarah Palin, or something.
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    re: Judge: Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    I say we give a 9mm handgun to Giffords and let her shoot him in the head. Then they'd be even.
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    re: Judge: Loughner can be made mentally fit for trial

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    I think that I don't know if he did it or not. I only know that alot of people have said he did it.
    who do you think may have framed him?

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