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    Re: Drug testing surprise

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Thanks, Ikari. Now I'm picturing you in a bathroom stall with a jar of piss trapped in your armpit.
    That's a bit disturbing. But I think that they already make devices which keep urine at the proper temperature just for this purpose.
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    Re: Drug testing surprise

    Thus proving that some people will do anything to pass a test.

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    Re: Drug testing surprise

    Quote Originally Posted by Marilyn Monroe View Post
    I thought they checked the temperature of the urine to make sure it is fresh.
    As long as you keep it close to the body it maintains its temperature.
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    Re: Drug testing surprise

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Thus proving that some people will do anything to pass a test.
    Some people even force their children to pee into containers for them when a random test is required.
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    Re: Drug testing surprise

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Nice answer, but it doesn't really answer my question. We have a society now that is approaching 47% on the government dole in some fashion. How do you take that away, politically speaking? Even if you were somehow able to find some majority of consensus among the current crop of politicians, what's to stop the next crop from coming in and promising the goodies back to those lazy constituent voters?

    What is it now? 50 million families on food stamps? Try and take that away from the 50 million as a politician, and see where it gets you? The only way I see it happening is in term limits, and an enforcable (With real teeth) oversight body that oversees corruption within our government. The oversight body would need to be randomly selected citizens (Like juries) that are selected to serve on this committee (With full pay) for a durational period that aggressively protects the American interests in a stable, honest government. No more congressional oversight of congress (An oxymoron). What we need is real people with common sense looking out for all the rest of us.

    Right now, our entire sysetm is run by 535 innately corruptable individuals with only their own interests taking center stage!


    Just my opinion.. But we can't begin to fix Washington unless we take seriously how inherantly corruptable our system of government has become.


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    I think the 47% statistic is pretty misleading. Many of the people that did not pay income taxes still worked and earned their own living. A government oversight body is an interesting idea, but in itself would become "a government" that is not immune to corruption. What we really need to do is stop teaching our children government approved propoganda and educate them on the importance of knowing what their government is doing and how it affects them. Having more "average" people interested in politics would thin out the crowd of self centered career liars that are "leading" this country now.

    A more educated society will naturally be more productive.

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    Re: Drug testing surprise

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    drug screening has been abused to the point that i'd like to see it banned unless court ordered on an individual basis.

    no business needs to know if an office worker smoked a doob over the weekend. if the worker's performance sucks, fire them. if it doesn't, don't.
    Unless there is probable cause random drug testing should not be used. Say an employee runs over someone with a tow motor. This would warrant a urine test. If you've done nothing suspicious, no test.

    I remember a case where the CEO of a large company was selling drugs to his manager's. He never got a random drug test, and kept his position. On the other hand, at the same company several tow motor operator's were given random drug tests. They turned up positive for marijuana and were immediately fired.
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    Re: Drug testing surprise

    Quote Originally Posted by Smokified View Post
    Where did I say the key distinction for drug testing is emplyment? I pointed out that you are comparing apples to oranges. A person who is earning their own money should be of no concern to you as a taxpayer. The people who run the companies that own the road grader and employ the guy operating it likely do make him piss in a cup. And it costs you nothing as a taxpayer (beyond what is already budgeted for public employees) so your argument is completely irrelevant. A person on Welfare is simply collecting public money. The guy who got laid off from the construction firm is likely actively looking for another job. None of this is designed to target these kinds of people, so again, your argument is irrelevant. It is designed to target people who simply do not work and abuse the system. If you think the only people on welfare are hard working people who are victims of circumstance, then you are not educated enough on this topic to be having this discussion.
    I'm talking about one person taking public money to work heavy equipment versus another guy taking public money to stay off the street. Both are taking public money. Apples - apples. Except the former is a bigger risk to public safety if he's intoxicated.

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    Re: Drug testing surprise

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    You've never worked with or for an insurance corporation, have you?

    If the negative externalities for recreational drug users didn't exist, I doubt it'd be a concern at all. I highly doubt that Bill Gates or Larry Ellison give a damn what you do in your spare time.
    then why not test for alcohol, tobacco, and obesity?

    the prevalence of negative "externalities" is almost certainly much higher for all of these.

    i don't support testing for any of them. you're either doing a good job, or you're not. since workers have basically no rights these days, a business can fire someone without an intrusive piss test. i'm for preventing businesses from testing with the exception of driving / other high risk jobs, and in cases of accidents.

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    Re: Drug testing surprise

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Indeed. So what you are saying is that corporations aren't citizens after all. I totally agree.

    We could piss test everyone on Wall Street. What do you think we'd find? Probably higher abuse rates than for people on the dole. No one is going to test white collar, white guys who work with money? Never happen.
    How is this even relevant to the topic of people who receive public money and then spend it on drugs?

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    Re: Drug testing surprise

    Quote Originally Posted by Marilyn Monroe View Post
    Unless there is probable cause random drug testing should not be used. Say an employee runs over someone with a tow motor. This would warrant a urine test. If you've done nothing suspicious, no test.
    agree completely.

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