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    Re: Drug testing surprise

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    I don't disagree. As I said, I'm a conservative through and through, however, this is the argument. So the answer is to break a few eggs to make an omlet.. Ok, I can dig that, but the fact still remains that there will indeed be quite a few eggs being broken, and the kiddies will be the eggs that will be broken. How does the state deal with that? Do we take them away from poor parents that are unwilling to work, or drug users that smoke weed, and sometimes go without milk, or food for their families.. You make it sound like only a few will be hurt, but I suspect that this endemic problem of the last 40 years of entitlement spending has far more reprecussions than either you or I can imagine.

    That said, if we can deal with the pain, and there will be a ton of it getting off this entitlement mentality, then yes, in the long run our nation and its people will be far better off. But politics isn't played in the long term. We play that game here in the US every two years.. You can't fix this problem politically in two years..

    So, purely from a political sci standpoint, what is the solution. How do you sell this to the American people, and have them stay focused long enough to make it work?


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    I think in the event that we mandated drug tests and had some concrete consequences for violating the terms and conditions of public benefits there would be far less of these broken eggs than you think. Yes it will take a few "examples" before people start getting the hint, but I think that, even in our silly society that can't learn to stop texting and driving, the effect will not be to the extreme that you are referring to. Simply the fear of consequence will be enough for many people to change.... I hope.

    The real solution to all of the problems we have is education. Not simply book smarts, but a full all out education.

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    Re: Drug testing surprise

    Quote Originally Posted by Smokified View Post
    I think in the event that we mandated drug tests and had some concrete consequences for violating the terms and conditions of public benefits there would be far less of these broken eggs than you think. Yes it will take a few "examples" before people start getting the hint, but I think that, even in our silly society that can't learn to stop texting and driving, the effect will not be to the extreme that you are referring to. Simply the fear of consequence will be enough for many people to change.... I hope.

    The real solution to all of the problems we have is education. Not simply book smarts, but a full all out education.
    Nice answer, but it doesn't really answer my question. We have a society now that is approaching 47% on the government dole in some fashion. How do you take that away, politically speaking? Even if you were somehow able to find some majority of consensus among the current crop of politicians, what's to stop the next crop from coming in and promising the goodies back to those lazy constituent voters?

    What is it now? 50 million families on food stamps? Try and take that away from the 50 million as a politician, and see where it gets you? The only way I see it happening is in term limits, and an enforcable (With real teeth) oversight body that oversees corruption within our government. The oversight body would need to be randomly selected citizens (Like juries) that are selected to serve on this committee (With full pay) for a durational period that aggressively protects the American interests in a stable, honest government. No more congressional oversight of congress (An oxymoron). What we need is real people with common sense looking out for all the rest of us.

    Right now, our entire sysetm is run by 535 innately corruptable individuals with only their own interests taking center stage!


    Just my opinion.. But we can't begin to fix Washington unless we take seriously how inherantly corruptable our system of government has become.


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    Re: Drug testing surprise

    drug screening has been abused to the point that i'd like to see it banned unless court ordered on an individual basis.

    no business needs to know if an office worker smoked a doob over the weekend. if the worker's performance sucks, fire them. if it doesn't, don't.

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    Re: Drug testing surprise

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Just curious. How does a corporation piss in a bottle?
    Good question. Corporations are legally citizens of the US. I'd say it is incumbent upon them to come up with a satisfactory method. In the meantime I imagine corporations will piss on the environment, registered voters, workers and the Constitution.

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    Re: Drug testing surprise

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Anyone can pass a drug test if you are given advance notice.All it takes is a small bottle and friends who do not use illegal drugs because most piss test places have you go into a small bathroom and close the door to urinate into a bottle. So the article only proves that their testing measures are flawed. If they were smart they would have someone watch you fill the cup up or at least have security pat you down to make sure that you do not have any bottles on you.
    I thought they checked the temperature of the urine to make sure it is fresh.
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    Re: Drug testing surprise

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix
    no business needs to know if an office worker smoked a doob over the weekend. if the worker's performance sucks, fire them. if it doesn't, don't.
    You've never worked with or for an insurance corporation, have you?

    If the negative externalities for recreational drug users didn't exist, I doubt it'd be a concern at all. I highly doubt that Bill Gates or Larry Ellison give a damn what you do in your spare time.

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    Re: Drug testing surprise

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    drug screening has been abused to the point that i'd like to see it banned unless court ordered on an individual basis.

    no business needs to know if an office worker smoked a doob over the weekend. if the worker's performance sucks, fire them. if it doesn't, don't.
    It isn't really that simple. If that worker is driving on company time and causes an accident the company is liable. If that worker tests positive for illegal drugs there is a whole other host of legal issues that will come down on the company's shoulders. Drug use, so long as it remains illegal, is a huge liability for employers.
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    Re: Drug testing surprise

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    How exactly do you test a coporation? Do you test only the CEO, board of directors, rank and file.... If you find someone who tested positive do you punish just him or the entire corporation? So, you test some Corporate Officers of Company A, they test positive, subsidy taken away, corporation loses business because they lost their leaders and corporation lost its reputation, company goes under, more people unemployed and on welfare, then the testing cycle starts again.
    Indeed. So what you are saying is that corporations aren't citizens after all. I totally agree.

    We could piss test everyone on Wall Street. What do you think we'd find? Probably higher abuse rates than for people on the dole. No one is going to test white collar, white guys who work with money? Never happen.










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    Re: Drug testing surprise

    Quote Originally Posted by Marilyn Monroe View Post
    I thought they checked the temperature of the urine to make sure it is fresh.
    You just need a small heater for that one.
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    Re: Drug testing surprise

    Thanks, Ikari. Now I'm picturing you in a bathroom stall with a jar of piss trapped in your armpit.

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