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    Re: Drug testing surprise

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Maybe I'm just channeling my inner Orwell, but I firmly believe that the reason this is not so is because of cost, not desire.
    You are correct. I think it possible, they'd love to do it. And how many people would champion such a thing? Sickening really.
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    Re: Drug testing surprise

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    You are allowed to report me for speeding. If a cop then observes what you've reported I will be ticketed. You've never called the cops because of a reckless driver?
    No, I would not be that big of a jerk. Live and let live.

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    Re: Drug testing surprise

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I believe your right to privacy ends at the point at which you are breaking the law. Even though I may disagree with the law to some extent, drug use is illegal. I don't really see random testing as a qualifier for employment or receipt of government money for personal subsistence as a violation of any right. It's a mandatory obligation for a voluntary process.
    But you see, the rub is employers want to pay you for eight hours a day and tell you what to do for 24.

    I don't work for companies that drug test until one comes along that's willing to pay me for 24 hours a day.

    Not saying it wouldn't be okay for them to test to see if I'm high AT WORK, but the tests don't work that way. And random testing for welfare etc is acceptable.

    It is kind of funny that marijuana, arguably the least harmful of all the recreational drugs, stays in ones system FAR longer than the actually more dangerous ones.

    Its even funnier that we went along with the whole "pay you for eight hours, dictate your behavior for 24" crap in the first place.
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    Re: Drug testing surprise

    Quote Originally Posted by coolwalker View Post
    Just another government invasion of privacy. Be a government stooge and go along with it...then watch them whittle away at some other right like the moronic governor of North Carolina who believes we should suspend the next election.
    It is not an invasion of privacy when these people live entirely off of public money. Being that public is the direct opposite as private, you would think this would be obvious.

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    Re: Drug testing surprise

    Quote Originally Posted by coolwalker View Post
    No, I would not be that big of a jerk. Live and let live.
    I think the "let live" part of this statement was not part of the reckless driver's thought process..... Holding an idiot who is not being considerate of everyone around them accountable does not make you a jerk. Not holding somebody accountable for actions that affect people around them is the new pussy American way that solves nothing and only enables the problems to worsen.

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    Re: Drug testing surprise

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Why does this fact show that welfare applicants are less likely to use drugs? What it shows is that people understand they have to clean up or lose their benefits. Fallacy of logic.
    Politician uses drug testing for political points (and possible personal gain), easily defeatable drug test results in apparent lower drug use among those tested.

    Random testing, as Tessa said is the only effective form.

    But it doesn't LOOK as good to those who don't know the realities of the situation.

    Which is why he did it in the first place. (If you ignore his interest in the company DOING the testing)
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    Re: Drug testing surprise

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I believe your right to privacy ends at the point at which you are breaking the law. Even though I may disagree with the law to some extent, drug use is illegal. I don't really see random testing as a qualifier for employment or receipt of government money for personal subsistence as a violation of any right. It's a mandatory obligation for a voluntary process.
    Remember that they are violating your privacy in order to determine you are breaking the law. No suspicion is required. You are presumed guilty and required to prove your innocence.

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    Re: Drug testing surprise

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    How exactly do you test a coporation? Do you test only the CEO, board of directors, rank and file.... If you find someone who tested positive do you punish just him or the entire corporation? So, you test some Corporate Officers of Company A, they test positive, subsidy taken away, corporation loses business because they lost their leaders and corporation lost its reputation, company goes under, more people unemployed and on welfare, then the testing cycle starts again.
    So TESTING the rich is a job killer too?
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    Re: Drug testing surprise

    What gets me, and is often overlooked by pundants is this. If the point of testing is to punish users by removing their benefits, how is that any different than simply taking benefits away from capable people? If the goal is to remove those that are unworthy, then do so, and we don't need drug testing to do this. Just manpower. That said, and here's the rub.. What about the children? What aboutt he kiddies of all these abusers, and fraudulent recipients of welfare dough? Regardless of why thy are removed, don't the children still suffer? This is the argument from progressives, and even some moderate republicans for decades, and to some extent the argument has merit. Whehn we remove benefits of welfare recipients, what we're really doing is taking away (in some quantifiable measure) from the children of these people.

    My question is. If we all agree that we as tax payers shouldn't be paying benefits to capable, and able-bodied people, and only to those that are deserving, how do we resolve the moral obligation to protect the children?

    By the way.. I'm a conservative, but I've never really heard a good argument for how we stop the waste, abuse and fraud, and yet still find a way to protect those that are simply victims of this circumstance? The same can be said about the illegal immigration issue, and that MOST illegal immigrants in this country are actually hard working, and notwithstanding the illegal act of coming to America, are themselves honest people willing to do what it takes for their families.. How do we fix this conundrum?


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    Re: Drug testing surprise

    Quote Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs View Post
    I do hope they make random drug screening part of receiving benefits
    Why? In what way would spending all that money on unnecessary tests benefit you?

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