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Chased home: Mob attacks man in his house

People often forget a simply truth. If everyone is armed, no one has the upper hand.

Yeah, but if the criminals are armed and you are not, as was the case here, a gun will at least level the playing field. That's the point.

I'd suggest you think about the possibly that all of those men who stormed into the house could possibly be armed as well.

Yeah, it's sort of difficult to carry a couple of dozen men in your pocket. Having a gun will at least give you a fighting chance.
 
You contradicted yourself. You said rarely, but you also said, "white on black is the hate crimes...it doesnt work the other way around."

Ok my mistake :)...but I stand by black on white being rarely prosecuted as a hate crime and any that have are recent events...it hardly never happened in years past...
 
I'm not saying it's new, but it being common place does not mean it's "normal". That kind of reactionary behavior is being bred within these groups. Instead of shrugging and saying, "it happens all the time," perhaps we should be addressing the why.
I think it's pretty easy to understand "why": ignorance, anger, unemployment, boredom, gangs, influence of prison culture, low education, poverty, stereotypes, scapegoating, lack of discipline, no connection to the community, etc.

So I'm well aware that the hostility exists. But I'm not so sure we have to simply accept it because it exists.
So what do you propose we do?
 
Carry permit or not...you still have to be right and you cant jump the gun so to speak...you have to use common sense...

How many 'dozens of men' need to be chasing you before common sense would tell you to start shooting?
 
I'm not saying it's new, but it being common place does not mean it's "normal". That kind of reactionary behavior is being bred within these groups. Instead of shrugging and saying, "it happens all the time," perhaps we should be addressing the why.

I used to work in an area of Dallas referred to as "Red Bird". It's southern Dallas, just southwest of one of the scariest areas of the city, and it is largely populated by african americans. I would drive an extra 10 miles out of my way at lunch if I wanted to sit down somewhere to eat because I would often get stared at and jeered at by the area residents at the stores and restaurants near the office. I had one guy tell me to turn around and get back in my car because, "we don't want no white bitches in here". I once asked the cashier at an area store how her day was and the response I received was "white bitch, what would YOU know about my life?"

So I'm well aware that the hostility exists. But I'm not so sure we have to simply accept it because it exists.


Tess this has been happening forever in all large cities its UNDERREPORTED by a liberal press...its usually left to local reporting that doesnt get widely read....teen gangs in inner cities go back forever...to all white ethnic gangs in the early 1900s preying on each other...irish and german on polish and italian..etc..
and right on up to today...granted there seems to be an uptick lately...but its being more main stream reported because mainstreet is getting it now...a teen gang in philly was roaming the business district in philly it was reported not to long ago...now that will bring out all the reporting...when its not contained in just miniority neighborhoods.
 
So you'd prefer only the bad guys have guns? Because they're going to have them no matter what.
I prefer no one except police and the armed forces have guns. Since that can't be the case, I'd prefer very few guns as opposed to more guns being in public circulation. I often read people saying "If he were armed...." that bravado is based completely on that person having the superior firepower. The often neglected fact is if more guns are out there, more people will have it, not just the "good guys". The result could potentially be more people killed, not just and "bad guys". In fact, the "bad guys" are more interested in superior firepower and more willing to take someone's like (thus making them the bad guys). So I'd wager more "good guys" will end up dead.
 
I prefer no one except police and the armed forces have guns. Since that can't be the case, I'd prefer very few guns as opposed to more guns being in public circulation. I often read people saying "If he were armed...." that bravado is based completely on that person having the superior firepower. The often neglected fact is if more guns are out there, more people will have it, not just the "good guys". The result could potentially be more people killed, not just and "bad guys". In fact, the "bad guys" are more interested in superior firepower and more willing to take someone's like (thus making them the bad guys). So I'd wager more "good guys" will end up dead.

Tett...sorry to tell you the bad guys always had the guns...
 
Tess this has been happening forever in all large cities its UNDERREPORTED by a liberal press...its usually left to local reporting that doesnt get widely read....teen gangs in inner cities go back forever...to all white ethnic gangs in the early 1900s preying on each other...irish and german on polish and italian..etc..
Chicago's as liberal as it gets and it's reported all the time by the press.
 
Tettsuo if you read the article...they broke down the mans door..hit him with a pipe, beat him in the face and a gun was pulled on him being aimed and he grabbed the guys arm and kept it from him...just then the police sirens were heard and the mob ran...if the police didnt get there...how was this guy going to keep the mob off him and the kids in the house and his wife...be reasonable ...people have the RIGHT to protect their home...they have a RIGHT to be and feel safe in their homes.
First don't assume I didn't read the article. I did. The man got hit will a pipe and punched in the face. That sucks, but he's alive. If more people in the mob had guns do you honestly think the guy with the family would be in less danger if he himself pulled a gun?

Let me repeat the first part of that question: If MORE people in the mob has guns....
 
Yeah, but if the criminals are armed and you are not, as was the case here, a gun will at least level the playing field. That's the point.
No it wouldn't. One gun against 10 or more isn't leveling the playing field.
Yeah, it's sort of difficult to carry a couple of dozen men in your pocket. Having a gun will at least give you a fighting chance.
No, pulling a gun would have probably gotten him shot to death if more of the mob also had guns.
 
Read the article, they chased the guy into his home broke down his door with his wife and 4kids and two other young teens he was trying to protect....they hit him with a pipe and pulled a gun on him


Classic reason to allow gun ownership and the right to put holes into anyone breaking the sanctity of your home to do you harm.
This guy and his family were lucky...most times the police just cant get there fast enough



Chased home: Mob attacks man in his house | Philadelphia Daily News | 09/27/2011
You seem to assume that had he had a gun in the house he could have scared them away. That's one possibility, but just as likely, as soon as he pulled it out they could have shot him, or worse, bullets could have flown everywhere potentially killing his wife and four children.

The availability or lack thereof of guns has nothing to do with crime, IMO. Only with the seriousness of crime when it does happen.

That said, I wouldn't have any problem had this man owned a gun for safety purposes that he kept carefully secured inside his house.
 
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No it wouldn't. One gun against 10 or more isn't leveling the playing field.

really? my beretta 9mm holds 15 rounds in the clip. if I chamber a round and then put in a fresh clip, I can get 16 shots without reloading. how many of those guy do you think I would have to shoot before the rest give it up as a bad job? you have to remember, mobs like this are typically cowards. they are emboldened by strength of numbers. when they see you have the will and the ability to fight back, their basic cowardice overcomes their bravado and they flee.

No, pulling a gun would have probably gotten him shot to death if more of the mob also had guns.

and there is the difference between us and you. we would rather go down fighting. you would rather go down squealing like a pig and begging for mercy that will NOT be forthcoming.
 
You seem to assume that had he had a gun in the house he could have scared them away. That's one possibility, but just as likely, as soon as he pulled it out they could have shot him, or worse, bullets could have flown everywhere potentially killing his wife and four children.

The availability or lack thereof of guns has nothing to do with crime, IMO. Only with the seriousness of crime when it does happen.

That said, I wouldn't have any problem had this man owned a gun for safety purposes that he kept carefully secured inside his house.
That's a fair point. Another gun could have certainly escalated the situation. The value of a gun depends entirely on the specifics of situation from the place to the mentality of the criminals and the way the home owner would have used it.

It's never as cut and dry as "A gun would have solved the problem" or "A gun would have made the problem worse". Absolutes rarely, if ever, work in debates about gun use.
 
really? my beretta 9mm holds 15 rounds in the clip. if I chamber a round and then put in a fresh clip, I can get 16 shots without reloading. how many of those guy do you think I would have to shoot before the rest give it up as a bad job? you have to remember, mobs like this are typically cowards. they are emboldened by strength of numbers. when they see you have the will and the ability to fight back, their basic cowardice overcomes their bravado and they flee.

and there is the difference between us and you. we would rather go down fighting. you would rather go down squealing like a pig and begging for mercy that will NOT be forthcoming.
Internet tough guy eh? Please. You are not Batman and this isn't a comic book. Nothing you say is impressive to me as you are not impressive to me because you wrote a bunch of Dirty Harry nonsense on a messageboard. I know more than a few criminals. They are not cowards. In fact, i think they're too stupid to be cowards. What they often are is emboldened when they are armed, just like you appear to be.

If he pulled a gun, he would be dead and possibly his family as well if more were armed.

BTW, only cowards rely on guns to make them strong.
 
No it wouldn't. One gun against 10 or more isn't leveling the playing field.

You said, 'if everyone is armed, no one has the upper hand.' My response was to your false assertion that the security gained through carrying a gun is lost if everyone else has one.

The point is one gun is better than no gun when your life is threatened, regardless.

No, pulling a gun would have probably gotten him shot to death if more of the mob also had guns.

Actually, not pulling a gun just about got him shot, as one of the criminals was just about to shoot him as police arrived. Like I said, at least if he had a gun, he could have had a fighting chance. He probably could have scared them off before being pummeled and almost shot.
 
Internet tough guy eh? Please. You are not Batman and this isn't a comic book. Nothing you say is impressive to me as you are not impressive to me because you wrote a bunch of Dirty Harry nonsense on a messageboard. I know more than a few criminals. They are not cowards. In fact, i think they're too stupid to be cowards. What they often are is emboldened when they are armed, just like you appear to be.

If he pulled a gun, he would be dead and possibly his family as well if more were armed.

BTW, only cowards rely on guns to make them strong.

Internet tough guy? that all you've got? can't refute anything I said, so you resort to insult and personal attack. typical liberal hack. thanks for playing
 
and there is the difference between us and you. we would rather go down fighting. you would rather go down squealing like a pig and begging for mercy that will NOT be forthcoming.
First personal insult made by you.
can't refute anything I said, so you resort to insult and personal attack. typical liberal hack. thanks for playing
Then you turn and play innocent instead of manning up and taking responsibility.

Internet tough guy for sure.

Man up.
 
First personal insult made by you.

Then you turn and play innocent instead of manning up and taking responsibility.

Internet tough guy for sure.

Man up.

i think you'll find that oscar is the biggest internet tough guy at dp. don't be too hard on him, though, it's all he's got. well, that and his sister.
 
i think you'll find that oscar is the biggest internet tough guy at dp. don't be too hard on him, though, it's all he's got. well, that and his sister.
lol, thanks for the head's up. :)
 
Well Im glad there were cops there and nobody started a race war. :whew
 
This is not a racist comment it's just a statement of fact as I see it.

This is what comes when you have an ignorant, uneducated, bunch that have had little or descent parental guidance.

You will find this in parts of just about every big city in the Nation.

What's worse is you can't really just round them up and jail them because liberal Judges would force their release if they don't have cable TV and gourmet meals.

I say put them in tent cities in the desert like Sheriff Joe Arpaio has done, ans if a judge complains their his ass out for contempt of the people, a new law I propose.

The people need to take control and an if activist judge gets in the way it should only take say 2,000 voters that sign a petition to throw them out on their cans
 
First personal insult made by you.

cry for me

Then you turn and play innocent instead of manning up and taking responsibility.

this makes no sense whatsoever. in just what way am I "playing innocent"?

Internet tough guy for sure.

Man up.

gee...that sounds like a threat
 
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The first person through the door should have caught a face full of 00 Buck... The angry mother should be thanking the homeowner that her son is just in a cell, not a casket.
 
what is really sad, is all of these anti gun liberals who think the guy was better off being unarmed, would be the very same people complaining about the cops not doing their jobs if they hadn't arrived in time and the mob had beaten this guy to a pulp.

anyone here actually believe this mob wouldn't have severely beaten, if not killed, this guy had the cops not happened to have shown up? anyone want to bet that the violence wouldn't have escalated to involve everyone inside the home?
 
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