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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    It still gives people who attend church regularly an allowance of 1 misdemeanor per year (charge dismissed) essentially without any ramifications whatsoever. They get off scott free.. no skin off from their backs

    that is preferential treatment - one category or class of the population can just carry on as always going to church every sunday, and its like nothing ever happened.. meanwhile everyone else does have to face consequences and ramifications for the same actions.


    edit: and the "choice" is lopsided when only one option allows for dismissal of charges.
    I would wager that the incidents of criminal behavior among those who attend church every sunday is much, much lower than it is among those who do not. your objection on such grounds is flimsy at best.
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    all states must comply with the constitution. in this instance, it's a practical abridgement of the individual's rights, not a literal abridgement. if a judge is going to provide a choice, it should not involve religion. no one in their right mind would choose jail over church, essentially forcing that person to attend church whether they want to or not. could the person attend ANY church, such as wiccan services?
    You are assuming the individual couldnt choose Wicca, a Muslim faith, a purely non-denominational gathering or anything else. The simple fact of the matter is he IS giving something they previously wouldnt have had...a CHOICE. There is NO forcing of a mandated state religion...the only POSSIBLE thing you could claim as a violation to the constitution. You keep saying NO ONE would choose jail over religion. yet...you ignore the fact that you actually HAVE A CHOICE. Take away the choice and hyou have nothing but jail. NICE!!! Way to chop off hyour nose. THAT will show your face who is boss.

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    And to the poster that said something stupid about how we would not support it if the choice was go to a mosque or jail.....well....I can't speak for everyone but I would fully support the choice. As long as its a free will choice, if they want to go to a mosque rather than jail it's fine with me. WTF do I care?
    Going to a mosque would be far worse than going to jail.
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    By golly...Im betting if you were the person being given that choice you could even ask those questions and get an answer. Or not. On your principles should you ever be in that situation you should go to jail, go directly to jail, do not pass go and do not collect your $200.00.

    It MAY be lost on folks or missed that not only is this a less punitive offering it also saves the taxpayers from having to take care of them while they are sitting in the jail.
    I'd go to jail. I'd also have good grounds to fight that someone in a similar situation to me but with different religious beliefs was basically offered a less severe punishment because of their religious beliefs alone. That is discrimination. The law would then be struck down somewhere within our judicial system since it is religious discrimination and violates the 1st and 14th Amendments. It would cost them a lot more in legal battles than it would ever have cost to just offer a general community service program.

    Don't feel like actually debating me on the issues I brought up then, huh?
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I would wager that the incidents of criminal behavior among those who attend church every sunday is much, much lower than it is among those who do not. your objection on such grounds is flimsy at best.
    church going does not exempt one from crime, but apparently in this case, just punishment.

    There are plenty of church going people who do and have committed crimes (especially misdemeanors). Even if this number were just 1, that is too many to allow for the preferential treatment
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You are assuming the individual couldnt choose Wicca, a Muslim faith, a purely non-denominational gathering or anything else. The simple fact of the matter is he IS giving something they previously wouldnt have had...a CHOICE. There is NO forcing of a mandated state religion...the only POSSIBLE thing you could claim as a violation to the constitution. You keep saying NO ONE would choose jail over religion. yet...you ignore the fact that you actually HAVE A CHOICE. Take away the choice and hyou have nothing but jail. NICE!!! Way to chop off hyour nose. THAT will show your face who is boss.
    You are assuming those options are available. Again, what churches are in the area? Who gets to approve your choice of church attendance? How close does the church have to be?
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    [/B]so would community service.
    I would bet they also use that as a component of sentencing. They probably also mandate the occasional substance abuse treatment program. Id be willing to bet they even court order anger management classes, smoking cessation classes, and parenting classes. But because religion is mentioned...THIS we must become fixated upon.

    Please...should the unfortunate occasion ever occur whereby you are set before this judges court...choose option A. I hear the Kale and Pepper steak on friday is to die for.

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    that's ridiculous. i attend church and am far from anti-religious. i do not, however, appreciate a judge giving what is essentially a non-choice as a sentence that involves going to church. that's like saying to a man......do you want $500 dollars, or do you want to pay me $500?
    It's nothin like that. Going to church would be far worse for some people.
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    church going does not exempt one from crime, but apparently in this case, just punishment.
    and this is relevent to your objection in what way?
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I would wager that the incidents of criminal behavior among those who attend church every sunday is much, much lower than it is among those who do not. your objection on such grounds is flimsy at best.
    Doesn't matter how low those incidents are, as long as at least one person would be getting special treatment just due to their religious views, it is religious discrimination. I'm sure there are plenty of regular church goers who commit plenty of non-violent crimes.
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