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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Please what? Please don't put you on the spot for making false claims?
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    This is so messed up.

    As others have pointed out, this means that non-violent offenders who already attend church regularly, are basically getting off scottfree because they already perform the "punishment" every week anyway. It would be like offering me a choice between jail or keeping my house clean, which I do every day anyway.

    On the flip side of this, some may end up being cruelly punished through ridicule for holding their personal religious beliefs that clash with the beliefs of most/all churches in the area. How many different denominations are in the area? How far out can a person go to practice their beliefs? Does it have to be an established church/religion, or can it be one that is more of a religious meeting group? And the Sheriff specifically said "Sunday" attendance, but what about those religions that meet on other days of the week? Can a person switch churches if they are feeling ridiculed? Who gets to decide if someone is being treated cruelly by the church or not for maintaining their personal beliefs instead of accepting the church's beliefs?
    By golly...Im betting if you were the person being given that choice you could even ask those questions and get an answer. Or not. On your principles should you ever be in that situation you should go to jail, go directly to jail, do not pass go and do not collect your $200.00.

    It MAY be lost on folks or missed that not only is this a less punitive offering it also saves the taxpayers from having to take care of them while they are sitting in the jail.

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Indeed...please continue. Which part of "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances" indicates an individual could not or even should not be given such a choice during sentencing? Especially what with this being a state court and not a federal court, but even in the instance of a federal court, where is the abridgement of individual rights?

    all states must comply with the constitution. in this instance, it's a practical abridgement of the individual's rights, not a literal abridgement. if a judge is going to provide a choice, it should not involve religion. no one in their right mind would choose jail over church, essentially forcing that person to attend church whether they want to or not. could the person attend ANY church, such as wiccan services?

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Whether or not a convicted criminal is "ridiculed" doesn't place high on my give-a-damn-o-meter. Having said that, while church people tend to be judgmental as all hell, I doubt they would openly berate him or collectively ostracize him. I imagine a bunch of them might have questions, and a few of the more zealous attendees might want to spend some extra time, but that's probably about it.

    We're talking about a bunch of people who learn "judge not, lest ye be judged".

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Well, they do recognize at least part of the Constitution - the Second amendment - down in Dixie. It's the first and the fourteenth they have real problems with.

    By the way, I'd like to be your friend but I have no idea how to respond.
    Great, friend...maybe YOU can explain how this is in violation of the first amendment!
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    By golly...Im betting if you were the person being given that choice you could even ask those questions and get an answer. Or not. On your principles should you ever be in that situation you should go to jail, go directly to jail, do not pass go and do not collect your $200.00.

    It MAY be lost on folks or missed that not only is this a less punitive offering it also saves the taxpayers from having to take care of them while they are sitting in the jail.
    so would community service.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    all states must comply with the constitution. in this instance, it's a practical abridgement of the individual's rights, not a literal abridgement. if a judge is going to provide a choice, it should not involve religion. no one in their right mind would choose jail over church, essentially forcing that person to attend church whether they want to or not. could the person attend ANY church, such as wiccan services?
    I believe it states "church of their choice", so if there is a wiccan "church" in the area they could attend services there...as long as the wiccan church would have them.
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    It still gives people who attend church regularly an allowance of 1 misdemeanor per year (charge dismissed) essentially without any ramifications whatsoever. They get off scott free.. no skin off from their backs

    that is preferential treatment - one category or class of the population can just carry on as always going to church every sunday, and its like nothing ever happened.. meanwhile everyone else does have to face consequences and ramifications for the same actions.


    edit: and the "choice" is lopsided when only one option allows for dismissal of charges.
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    IOW, you don't know...because it isn't
    oh oscar, don't you have a gun to clean?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Please what? Please don't put you on the spot for making false claims?
    false how?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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