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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    One of the biggest complaints with programs like Alcoholics Annonymous, for example, is that it effectively preys on weak-minded people and brainwashes them into accepting a religion. A similar problem might arise under this law.
    so it's better to let them remain alcoholics and drug addicts and die early from an overdose or liver failure than it is to "brainwash them into accepting a religion"? gee, let's just save them the years of slow decline and put a bullet in their head now

    I think the overall idea is good. Let criminals be productive and help society rather than just sit and rot in prison. But the implementation is flawed.
    I think this particular idea sucks. the criminals are not being productive, and the only lesson they are learning is that there are no real consequences for breaking the law.
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Don't do the crime if you can't to the time...in church, or jail...whichever....
    that's cute, by sentencing a convict to serve time by going to Church once a week or going to jail for a year, violating the 1st Amendment.

    its funny how Conservatives love to wave the Constitution in Liberals' faces....up until the point when the Constitution runs counter to their own agenda & beliefs.

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    No one ever did. You wanted a secular option and there it is. No one said you had to like it.
    so you admit that the two options are totally unequal?

    thank you for your honesty.

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I've not received a community service sentence nor do I object to the available options to serve it, so I have no problem.
    Dodge much? Answer has nothing to do with the full sentence in question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    OK, and how is that the church's fault? Why aren't secularists coming out with equivalent programs?

    If you answered "because secularists don't give a **** about the community and want everyone else to do everything for them", you would be correct.
    Who's saying it has anything to do with the church or the church should hold any responsibility for it? Nothing changes for the churches if this program is not allowed to be enacted. There is no penalty being laid on any of the churches if the program is changed to include secular options or if it is dropped altogether. And if any church is gaining any sort of financial advantage from the state from the enactment of this program and would lose that if it got put down, well then that is just one more point against the program to show that it is unconstitutional.

    No one in fact faces any actual penalty from not enacting this program. Unless they cannot come up with an alternative program that is acceptable, the city will still be responsible for the funding to house the criminals that may have had this option, but they can always come up with a secular program of alternative sentencing, such as mandatory community service, that would take care of that.
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Seems to me this would be unconstitutional for he same reason school prayer in public schools is unconstitutional -- it's a step towards the government establishing religion.

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    so you admit that the two options are totally unequal?

    thank you for your honesty.
    Ok...I didn't know anyone ever made that claim. Nor is it important. Why are you focusing on this? What is it that you think that proves?

    Like it was said above, they're criminals. They shouldn't even get a choice, they should be told what to do. But, I think it is good for them to go through something that is more rehabilitative than punitive. We all know that jails have not had a great track record of rehabilitation so maybe churches of any type can be the trick.
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Seems to me this would be unconstitutional for he same reason school prayer in public schools is unconstitutional -- it's a step towards the government establishing religion.
    ah...the old slippery slope arguement. In and of itself, it is not establishing religion...it's just a "step" towards the process.


    just for kicks...exactly which religion is it they are establishing, since the convict gets to choose the church?
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Interesting.

    What of a parallel governing system like Sharia Law ever happening in America?

    Do you or do you not think that would be constituional to respect a parallel, religious form of government such as Sharia Law?

    If we don't give felons the option of going to curch then assuredly anything even remotely resembling Sharia Law will never, ever, be allowed in America?

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    ah...the old slippery slope arguement. just for kicks...exactly which religion is it they are establishing, since the convict gets to choose the church?
    Any religion that meets in a church or requires meetings to discuss the religion at all.
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Any religion that meets in a church or requires meetings to discuss the religion at all.
    sorry, but contrary to popular belief, that was not the intent behind the anti-establishment clause. but, of course, you already knew that
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