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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Where is anything like this mentioned in the Constitution?
    please......

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    It isnt. Anti-religious bigots like to use the amendment that says freedom of religion and no establishment of a mandated state enforced religion to mean FROM religion. Tolerance is just a word.
    that's ridiculous. i attend church and am far from anti-religious. i do not, however, appreciate a judge giving what is essentially a non-choice as a sentence that involves going to church. that's like saying to a man......do you want $500 dollars, or do you want to pay me $500?
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    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    please......
    Indeed...please continue. Which part of "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances" indicates an individual could not or even should not be given such a choice during sentencing? Especially what with this being a state court and not a federal court, but even in the instance of a federal court, where is the abridgement of individual rights?

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    please......
    IOW, you don't know...because it isn't
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    that's ridiculous. i attend church and am far from anti-religious. i do not, however, appreciate a judge giving what is essentially a non-choice as a sentence that involves going to church. that's like saying to a man......do you want $500 dollars, or do you want to pay me $500?
    You are joking...right? He IS giving a choice. Without the choice he can simply pay the fine and do the time. so your choice would be clear...No sir...Ima sit my ass in jail and pay my fine. Good deal.

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    It isnt. Anti-religious bigots like to use the amendment that says freedom of religion and no establishment of a mandated state enforced religion to mean FROM religion. Tolerance is just a word.
    You're right. It seems that a straightforward and positive program like this is certainly producing an odd reaction among Liberals.

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    nowhere does it say that the criminal (let's not forget that these are convicted criminals) must take part in the service or pay attention. simply that they can choose to attend a church. if they are an atheist or a muslim or a jew or whatever, they can go in and sit on the back row and sleep.

    it's still a much better deal than going to jail.
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    This is so messed up.

    As others have pointed out, this means that non-violent offenders who already attend church regularly, are basically getting off scottfree because they already perform the "punishment" every week anyway. It would be like offering me a choice between jail or keeping my house clean, which I do every day anyway.

    On the flip side of this, some may end up being cruelly punished through ridicule for holding their personal religious beliefs that clash with the beliefs of most/all churches in the area. How many different denominations are in the area? How far out can a person go to practice their beliefs? Does it have to be an established church/religion, or can it be one that is more of a religious meeting group? And the Sheriff specifically said "Sunday" attendance, but what about those religions that meet on other days of the week? Can a person switch churches if they are feeling ridiculed? Who gets to decide if someone is being treated cruelly by the church or not for maintaining their personal beliefs instead of accepting the church's beliefs?

    A generic community outreach program or the normal community service program is much better than this and doesn't discriminate against people for holding other religious views, nor does it allow some people to get off without actually working, even if they normally do community service.
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    of course it's unconstitutional, but it's the south, right?
    Well, they do recognize at least part of the Constitution - the Second amendment - down in Dixie. It's the first and the fourteenth they have real problems with.

    By the way, I'd like to be your friend but I have no idea how to respond.

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    please......
    Please what? Please don't put you on the spot for making false claims?

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