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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Or counciling. So you don't want people forced to work at planned parenthood (where they would not be conducting or assisting abortion), but would be ok forcing Atheists to work for Churches, eh?
    how is attending service and listening to a sermon "working for the church"? what does it benefit the church to have this person sitting in their building? you are really reaching on this one.
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    how is attending service and listening to a sermon "working for the church"? what does it benefit the church to have this person sitting in their building? you are really reaching on this one.
    How is mopping the floors at planned parenthood participating in abortion?
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    How is mopping the floors at planned parenthood participating in abortion?
    mopping the floors is a service that PP would otherwise have to pay someone to do. they benefit. so again....how does the church benefit from having this person sitting in their service?
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    mopping the floors is a service that PP would otherwise have to pay someone to do. they benefit. so again....how does the church benefit from having this person sitting in their service?
    Then they can sit there in planned parenthood without protesting.
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Then they can sit there in planned parenthood without protesting.
    yeah right. just as you guys squealed "they can't just sit in church and sleep, they have to answer questions about the service". do you seriously think that they would "sentence" someone to community service at PP and then just allow them to stand around and do nothing?

    face it, you are off base on this line of reasoning.

    however, if, repeat IF, all they had to do was go and stand or sit inside the building, BFD I'm sure they would probably rather do that than go to jail.
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    however, if, repeat IF, all they had to do was go and stand or sit inside the building, BFD I'm sure they would probably rather do that than go to jail.
    Of course, and if someone had the choice to sit in church or go to jail; they'd most likely choose to sit in church even though it'd be completely pointless. But sitting in planned parenthood would be different than sitting in church? I don't think so. And if one is OK with offering only church as an alternative to jail, then one would have to be perfectly ok with offering only planned parenthood as alternative to jail as well.
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Of course, and if someone had the choice to sit in church or go to jail; they'd most likely choose to sit in church even though it'd be completely pointless. But sitting in planned parenthood would be different than sitting in church? I don't think so. And if one is OK with offering only church as an alternative to jail, then one would have to be perfectly ok with offering only planned parenthood as alternative to jail as well.
    and IF, as I said, the requirement was to just go and sit at the local planned parenthood for an hour a week and sleep, I'd have no problem with that (other than the same problem I have with the church option, which is it doesn't do anything to punish the criminal)

    but you and I both know it wouldn't work that way. they would be forced, as you said, to mop floors or clean toilets or do something which would materially benefit PP.

    so, yet again I ask, how would the church materially benefit from having them sit there and then answer questions about the service.

    If you can answer that question, I will concede your point.
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    and IF, as I said, the requirement was to just go and sit at the local planned parenthood for an hour a week and sleep, I'd have no problem with that (other than the same problem I have with the church option, which is it doesn't do anything to punish the criminal)

    but you and I both know it wouldn't work that way. they would be forced, as you said, to mop floors or clean toilets or do something which would materially benefit PP.

    so, yet again I ask, how would the church materially benefit from having them sit there and then answer questions about the service.

    If you can answer that question, I will concede your point.
    It wouldn't work that way? Why? It was set up that way for the Church. Me thinks you just want to try your best to spin the hypothetical, but it's a hypothetical so we can set it to whatever standards we want. We can say they have to go and attend Planned Parenthood; or we can say that people should have to help keep the Church cleaned up. Either or to bring the two on level.
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    How about we offer a choice to attend a strip club every Friday for a year (for the sake of the hypothetical they do not have to pay a cover charge to get in). Its a choice, and nobody is forcing anyone to participate. They do not even have to look, nor do they have to tip the dancers, and can just sit in the back of the room (or the lobby even) reading a bible if they want.
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It wouldn't work that way? Why? It was set up that way for the Church. Me thinks you just want to try your best to spin the hypothetical, but it's a hypothetical so we can set it to whatever standards we want. We can say they have to go and attend Planned Parenthood; or we can say that people should have to help keep the Church cleaned up. Either or to bring the two on level.
    wrongo. the deal in Bay Minette was that they could attend church and then answer questions about the service for a year. not just go and sit there.

    so, until you can show me how doing that will materially benefit the church, your PP comparison is invalid.

    and since I have asked 4 times and you keep avoiding the question, logic dictates that you don't have an answer
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