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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    And to the poster that said something stupid about how we would not support it if the choice was go to a mosque or jail.....well....I can't speak for everyone but I would fully support the choice. As long as its a free will choice, if they want to go to a mosque rather than jail it's fine with me. WTF do I care?

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    How is it unconstitutional? They are giving the choice. So nobody is forcing anything.
    I was getting ready to say the very same thing. Besides it won't hurt anyone to learn an little about how to treat your fellow man and it doen't have to be about religion, Jesus is all about being the best person you can be as you, do unto others etc.

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    What if the offender is an atheist?
    Start a church that doesn't believe in a divine being. Religion is the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices. So it doesn't have to involve the belief in a divine being.
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    I just don't see how this in much of a deterrent, especially for offenders who already go to church every week anyways.

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    of course it's unconstitutional. the mere fact that a judge would offer a choice involving religion is unconstitutional.
    Where is anything like this mentioned in the Constitution?

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Probably should throw out substance abuse treat programs as an alternative to prison. Most effective programs involve the steps, and invariably, there is that pesky, higher power thing...

    What exactly is it that people are upset about? People are being given a CHOICE. Choose a standard jail term and fine or a year of weekly attendance at a church of your choice...how terrible! His option saves the tax payers money. Maybe gives someone a chance to reconnect with a community that might be supportive (in multiple ways). This whole kneejerk response to anything religious is pretty sad.
    it's actually a response to a judge inserting his religious values into the courtroom. it's inappropriate.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    "Inappropriate" is subjective. He is allowed to demonstrate his religious values as long as he does not order, condemn, or legislate. All he's doing is offering a choice. If the man is against it, he goes to jail. It's all good.

    First Amendment is not applicable here because it has nothing to do with establishing religion.

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    it's actually a response to a judge inserting his religious values into the courtroom. it's inappropriate.
    Inappropriate perhaps, though it seems everyone interviewed is in agreement, but not unconstitutional.

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    it's actually a response to a judge inserting his religious values into the courtroom. it's inappropriate.
    Judges have long offered non-traditional sentencing including the choice of jail or military. So...BFD...you simply choose jail. Its pretty comical that you are twisted because he offered people a choice.

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Where is anything like this mentioned in the Constitution?
    It isnt. Anti-religious bigots like to use the amendment that says freedom of religion and no establishment of a mandated state enforced religion to mean FROM religion. Tolerance is just a word.

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