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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    What difference does it make? Since when are convicts guaranteed Constitutional rights? It's a bad idea because it's too lenient, but I don't view this as a Constitutional issue.
    holy schmeg, I actually agree with you on something.

    this may or may not be unconstitutional, but that has no bearing on the fact that it is a bad idea
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Since when are convicts guaranteed Constitutional rights?
    Since when are they not?

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Since when are they not?
    criminals in prison have many of their Constitutional rights suspended.

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    holy schmeg, I actually agree with you on something.
    Then I must be wrong.

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What I'm seeing is that there are some posters who appear to believe that the government is trying to establish a religion, though the name oof that new religion has yet to be mentioned....
    then you have been reading a different thread.

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    question: is the reason this is a bad idea because it is unconstitutional or is it just a bad idea?
    ah, a legitimate question.

    the answer: both.

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    What difference does it make? Since when are convicts guaranteed Constitutional rights? It's a bad idea because it's too lenient, but I don't view this as a Constitutional issue.
    It is a Constitutional violation because it gives a difference punishment/sentence to a person based on their religious beliefs, even if they both pick the same option of going to church. For a person who is already actively involved in a church in that town or who already attends church every Sunday, such a sentence imposes nothing on them while someone who is has no religion or does not attend a church in the town is being forced to change their life, at the very least to attend the church. This is not equivalent punishment for the same crime.

    This also violates the Establishment Clause because no government official is allowed to legally require a person to attend any form of religious service, whether it is being done as an alternative to jail or fine or whatever. Convicts in prison cannot even be forced to attend any form of religious services.
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    This is clearly and comically unconstitutional.... but that could be easily remedied by the substitution of other activities for non-religious persons or people whose faith is not represented in the area (say, Sikhs.)

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    to me i see only to options 1) offer similar options for all religions or 2) watch as all non violent criminals serve there time at a church requardless of their beliefs and disrupt everyone at that church. I may sound like a religious nut saying this but i assure you i am not.
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Since when are they not?
    convicts are denied #2: keep and bear arms

    and

    convicts are denied #4: unreasonable search and seizure
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