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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    oh really? a judge's ruling being unConstitutional does not count as a reason why a ruling should be considered bad? I had no idea you had such little regard for our Constitution.
    ****ing a corspe is a bad idea, the fact that it is illegal is irrelevant. same concept applies here.
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Define "religion hater".
    anyone in this thread who cares more about a criminal's "freedom of religion" than they do about the fact that criminals will basically be going unpunished
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    I essentially ****ed a corpse for the better part of 2 years. God, she was a horrible lay.

    Oops, I meandered. I mean ARRRGH ESTABLISHMENT CLAUSE.

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    ****ing a corspe is a bad idea, the fact that it is illegal is irrelevant. same concept applies here.
    it may be irrelevant to you, but to many people in America the United State Constitution has serious weight.

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Well, if you're arguing that it's a soft, bullcrap excuse of punishment, I 100% agree with you. Where I throw up arms is where these people talk about "violating the Establishment clause" or "force people into their religion". That's bunk.

    I, too, think all non-violent crimes should be met with heavy fines and community service, because the benefit is two-fold - not only do you gain reparations from offenders through cash and civil service, but you don't flip the bill for three hots and a cot. My support of this stems from the financial, because "forcing" someone to go to church is a hell of a lot cheaper than housing him for a year or two. I want something that is a) cheap, and b) proportional.

    Cries of "belief force" fall on deaf ears, both morally and legally.
    I'm still not convinced that legally it's ok. While I understand that ultimately only I can decide if I want to believe something, and thus going to church isn't a "force" of beliefs; it still doesn't seem like proper government force to demand attendance. I mean, what if they made a law that said you have to go to Church, hell it doesn't even have to be denominational, any Church except the Church of Scientology. Because I hate that one. You have to go to A church at least once a week or pay a fine. There's choice, right? And while they may be forcing one to go to a church, they're not forcing them to believe; right? So there's no belief force. Is it ok? I'd still say no. This one is a bit more clear than the court case since it would actually be congress making a law. But I think the sentiment is similar. It's at best very iffy. I'd rather we not allow Church as Punishment, just avoid that area all together, and use fines and general community service. We get more use out of community service than some jerk sitting in Church once a week.
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    I wonder how different this thread would be if it were Mosques and not Churches...

    To team up government and a single religion, or even any religion, in this respect, is favoring one religious position over another. That is a violation of the establishment clause. There is no way around that. Government and religion must be separate in this country. That's the rule.

    Second, the notion about "choice." One cannot be pushed into a choice to give up constitutional rights. If police say "the moment you step out your door, you will be searched, without a warrant", then they are violating your rights. Even though you have a choice to not go outside. They don't have the right to push that situation on you. They cannot create consequences for going outside. The same is true here. The government cannot create theological consequences for anything. It is not a right that it has.
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    it may be irrelevant to you, but to many people in America the United State Constitution has serious weight.
    my give up. obviously this incredibly simple concept is beyond your comprehension
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    anyone in this thread who cares more about a criminal's "freedom of religion" than they do about the fact that criminals will basically be going unpunished
    allowing someone to be free of jail time AND probationary regulations, as long as they go to Church every Sunday once a week, means they will have gotten away with their crime Scot-free.

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    my give up. obviously this incredibly simple concept is beyond your comprehension
    I am not the one who is arguing that the Constitution of the United States is basically worthless.

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    allowing someone to be free of jail time AND probationary regulations, as long as they go to Church every Sunday once a week, means they will have gotten away with their crime Scot-free.
    which is why this is a bad idea.
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