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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    no one is saying you can't practice your own religion, you just have the option to attend an additional service in order to avoid jail
    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

    this judges ruling clearly violates the above Constitutional law.

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It's a choice, they can chose jail or church. I see nothing wrong with this, infact it would be a good thing.

    Criminals chosing church would save the state money but not jailing them, it would also open up cells for inmates who committed more atrocious crimes. There is no downside to this, if a criminal doesn't want to do it they can chose jail.
    Why does it have to be church? Can't we expand on this, because I do agree that for many non-violent crimes jail shouldn't be part of it. But general community service seems, in my mind, to be a better option than church.

    My question is what does this dude have to do? Just go to Church? That's a bit on the BS side. If he had to work their soup kitchens or outreach programs or something like that; ok. But if it's just that he has to go to Church on Sunday it doesn't sound like much of a punishment. Of course, if this were a drug related possession crime, I would probably say no punishment anyway.
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Congress! Make law!

    You're not even on the right branch of government. You are the Kansas City Royals of this thread.

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    hmmm..let's see now.

    you can either serve time in jail for one year, or you can be FREE for a year to play, drink, party, have fun, work, be lazy.....but you have to go to church every Sunday.

    how exactly does the 2nd option hold someone accountable for their crime?

    what ever happened to wanting to be tough on crime?

    what ever happened to having zero tolerance for crime?

    does being tough on crime and having zero tolerance for crime, and "you do the crime you do the time" get thrown out the door when church is an option??????

    wtf is with all the hypocricy.
    what hypocrisy? no one is arguing that it is a good idea, only that it doesn't violate the criminals freedom of religion.

    personally I think it is a stupid idea, the community would be better served by putting these criminals in orange jumpsuits and have them pick up trash from the side of the road every sunday
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It's a choice, they can chose jail or church. I see nothing wrong with this, infact it would be a good thing.

    Criminals chosing church would save the state money but not jailing them, it would also open up cells for inmates who committed more atrocious crimes. There is no downside to this, if a criminal doesn't want to do it they can chose jail.
    Sure there is a down side. A person who already attends church regularly or who doesn't care about participating in any of the tenets/activities/help-programs of the church is not really being punished by this, nor are they actually paying for their crime. They committed a crime. Whether it was violent or not, they still should face some punishment, and it should not involve something that is part of some agenda to get people into church rather than to actually get people heading in the right direction.

    Then there is anyone who could face ridicule and/or condemnation by a church for not wanting to be religious or involved in organized religion, but is trying to suck it up to make up for their mistake or even just save the community money. They should not face a relatively worse punishment just due to their faith or lack there of.
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    How is it unconstitutional? They are giving the choice. So nobody is forcing anything.
    A law was made respecting an establishment of religion. That's all it takes to be unconstitutional.

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    no one is saying you can't practice your own religion, you just have the option to attend an additional service in order to avoid jail
    What is the point then in forcing someone to go to a Christian church as the only choice? Why a Christian church?










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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    What is the point then in forcing someone to go to a Christian church as the only choice? Why a Christian church?
    agreed. why can't he go to a Muslim mosque..or a Jewish temple/synagogue...or a Buddhist temple...or a Hindu temple?

    why MUST it be a church on Sunday?

    this ruling violates the 1st Amendment so very blatantly that only the dishonest and ignorant cannot see it.

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You seemingly have never seen my arguments on the matter, heheh. I hate those lists.
    I've not seen your lists and I never asked about why they were hated. ;D

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    No specifics are mentioned about what going to church would involve. Are we talking attending services or doing community service for the church?

    Depending on the specifics, I would pick the church over jail time. I know more about Christianity than most Christians so I could easily fit in, plus the Divine is my best friend

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