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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke
    It is discrimination because a person who is in a similar situation as me, but who has a different religious belief as me that requires them to attend church once a week, is being offered a punishment that is basically not a punishment at all just due to the difference in our religious beliefs. I would have the very likely potential of being subjected to religious persecution and/or ridicule, at the very least, just due to my lack of established religious beliefs, while this other person is simply allowed to continue with their life as normal because of their established religious beliefs. That is discrimination.
    If I request to be sent to an all women's prison and am denied, is that discrimination by gender? If I'm forced to have "activity time" but I'm an out of shape pudge, is that discrimination by healthy? What if all the prison cafeteria is serving that day is hamburgers, but it's Friday and I'm religiously opposed. Is that discrimination by religion?

    You have absolutely no leg to stand on with that pseudo-argument. Choices don't always have to involve avenues that you agree with. You don't have that right.

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    wrong more =/= most, sorry
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Non religous as in not God oriented, or that DONT offer as a basic tenant a reliance on a higher power? And in your county? What if there wasnt one in your county?

    keep dancing. You know the truth....so do I. Given the choice between AA and jail, MOST people would choose AA.
    There are SOS groups.

    And federal courts have actually ruled several times that mandatory AA meetings without a secular option do violate the Constitution.

    Kerr v Farrey, Warner v. Orange County Department of Probation, Inouye v. Kemna

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    No.

    So, in fact, I was wrong. AA meetings aren't even legal to be forced on a person, unless there is a secular alternative.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    What if the offender is an atheist? For this reason, I believe that this is unconstitutional. Community service? OK, that is good, but not something where the government is uncontitutionally forcing religion down someone's throat. Let the offender bust bricks or something instead.

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    Discussion?
    General community service would suffice. Should he choose then to do it in a Church, that would be OK. Not sure about mandating that it be done through a church though.
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No. We are "all up in arms" because there would be no problem with alleviating that cost by simply offering completely secular alternatives, such as counseling or community service, instead of injecting religion into the options at all.
    Say...you should make that suggestion as a member of their community! You could even offer to sponsor some of the folks...maybe do some volunteer work with them or even head up the program where they do that community service. Perhaps they havent seen that as an option yet. Choices ROCK!

    Nah...you dont really CARE enough for all that...you just enjoy the opportunity to bitch about something that has no relevant bearing on your life, regardless of how beneficial it may actually BE for others...because it involves religion.

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    There are SOS groups.

    And federal courts have actually ruled several times that mandatory AA meetings without a secular option do violate the Constitution.

    Kerr v Farrey, Warner v. Orange County Department of Probation, Inouye v. Kemna

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    No.

    So, in fact, I was wrong. AA meetings aren't even legal to be forced on a person, unless there is a secular alternative.
    You have a secular choice...stay in jail and pay your fine. Choices ROCK!

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Who's mandating? If it's a choice between something you don't want and something you really don't want, you choose something you don't want.

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    this ruling allows a man to be free to walk the streets but he has to go to Church on Sunday....or he can be in jail for a year.

    so he has a choice between not being punished for his crime, and being punished.

    this is sooo illegal I can't believe it.

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Terrific argument. You've just argued for the elimination of probation.

    If you commit a crime, you go to jail. No probation for you.

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Terrific argument. You've just argued for the elimination of probation.

    If you commit a crime, you go to jail. No probation for you.
    will this guy be on probation while he is free buy going to church every sunday?

    will he have to check in with a PO monthly?

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