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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    That's one of the more limited statements I have read on this forum.

    This might be a new concept for you to try to understand but many people, perhaps most, don't move strictly because of religion (Utah might be an exception to the rule). You may live wherever the hell you live in Alabama because of your church. That is rare in America these days. Apparently, you don't know that.

    As a Buddhist I have been involved in trying to start a new sangha in my community. It isn't as easy as you might think. Often you start with 2 or three people in someone's home. Some groups don't meet on Sunday. Groups attempting to form a sangha are often unaffiliated for quite a while. Of course you know all this and you are quite certain an Alabama judge would be fine with 3 people meeting in someone's house on Saturday afternoons to meditate is going to suffice the judge's wishes.
    And you are so certain that he wouldn't. How many times must I say that it isn't about what he meant, only what he said?
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by dixiesolutions View Post
    As much as athiest want proof /evidence there is a God.
    Can any athiest actually proove, or provide evidence without a doupt, there is no God.?

    Because Satan does influence many minds and beliefs, in believing there is no God.

    History has proven many facts of God's doings. Even through his Son Jesus Christ.
    it is YOUR claim that the God of the Bible exists.

    it is YOUR claim that Jesus of Nazareth was the Messiah and the Son of God.

    prove it..or your claim is fraud.

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    and all the daily anal rapes you can stand. no thanks...I'll go to church
    only punks & wimps get raped in prison.

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Jesus or jail? Alabama town offers options for serving time – This Just In - CNN.com Blogs

    ok maybe they did not specific ally say that "all the churches are christian", but I don't know a community of 9k people with no mosques or synagogues in the area. what are the non christian options, Ba'hai, Buddhist, Shinto? DO they have a pastor?
    They have Afrikan nondenominational churches. The have many other nondenominational churches. My guess is that somewhere in the county you might find one that is acceptable to you. Then again...if you were Budhist you probably would already know of the existence of said church there, right? Surely you wouldnt want them to ESTABLISH a religion for you?

    Or not...choose your jail sentence and fine. Choice is GOOD!

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    How about people quit derailing the thread and stick to the damn topic.
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    why would a wiccan be living in an area without wiccan church? why would a muslim be living in an area without a mosque? if they really gave a damn about their religion, they would live in an area that had a church to cater to their need.
    Really? There are many reasons why someone might live in an area without a place of worship for their religious beliefs. Not all religions, even major ones, require strict attendance records for a person to be devoted to that religion.

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    from what I read, all that is required is that the church agree to allow the criminal to attend
    Not all religions have a church. Some religions involve something more akin to prayer meetings than actual church services, normally occurring in someone's private home rather than a set aside building/commercial space. And, I have known a number of people who attend a church outside of the town that they live in. What I have read said nothing about how churches are approved for this. There has to be some approval process, since otherwise there would be nothing to prevent someone from simply setting up a "religion of the football watchers" and simply watching football every Sunday as their church attendance.

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    then they can pick any church they want, sit on the back row and sleep for an hour or so each sunday. nothing says they have to participate, only that they must attend. my father slept through church for 30 years
    Are you sure nothing says they have to participate? Afterall, someone has to verify they actually sat through the service, what would keep that someone from saying the person isn't there since they aren't participating? Since the point is to try to get criminals to be more religious, I doubt the only stipulation is to attend the service, allowing a person to sleep through it.

    And this still doesn't prevent the person from being ridiculed through the service by others in attendance/pastor for their personal beliefs/choices. Such ridicule could easily be considered cruel and/or unusual punishment.

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    why do you assume that a church would do so?
    Why do you assume some wouldn't? I knew plenty of Southern Baptists who would have zero problem telling people they were going to hell directly to their face for being a certain religion or not believing exactly what they believed. I had a pastor at a Church of God assume that I was leading "a life of sin" simply because I was in the Navy. In fact, he included it as part of his sermon, including pointing me out, just minutes after I met him. He didn't even know me or anything more about me than that I was in the Navy and my father. I was so angry and humiliated, even if it wasn't true. I gladly volunteered to go down and relieve my stepmother of babysitting duties for the rest of the sermon. I highly doubt a person doing that for punishment would get that option.
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    never said there was an establishment........i posted about the interpretation. and of course i wouldn't choose jail. you're making my point there.
    You have no strength of conviction to your stated beliefs. VERY dissapointed in you.

    It costs the taxpayers about $75 a day in that particular county to house nonviolent misdemeanor offenders. We are all up in arms over a program that offers choices to people that could actually be beneficial to the individual and cost effective to the county residents....and why? Because very tolerant left leaning folks dont quite understand the meaning of the word tolerant.

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    They have Afrikan nondenominational churches. The have many other nondenominational churches. My guess is that somewhere in the county you might find one that is acceptable to you. Then again...if you were Budhist you probably would already know of the existence of said church there, right? Surely you wouldnt want them to ESTABLISH a religion for you?

    Or not...choose your jail sentence and fine. Choice is GOOD!
    My guess is somewhere in the county there is not an "athiest" church so I would not find one acceptable to me.

    This still does not address the preferential treatment and the "get out of jail free card" aspect given to regular church goers though.

    I would not mind this program if there was an option for charge dismissal via a venue other than church attendance, abnd that if you are a regular church goer then you had to do community service instead of just maintaining your normal routine as "punishment".

    It is the imbalance and the preferential treatment that is the issue with this for me, otherwise I would have no problem with this as an option. so long as there was not a class that was not immune to having to make any sort of sacrifice whatsoever.
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Then they choose to not take advantage of the program and serve their jail sentence, like they would have had to without the choice. Or...they choose to go to a nondenominational church that generally accepts everyone, participates in a community (as they would in any court ordered 12 step program) without the requirement to be baptized into anyones faith, checks in weekly with the officer, and at the end of the year has his record expunged. Maybe even makes a few friends or is (gasp) a positive influence on someone else.

    isnt choice a wonderful thing?
    LOL! That's such a load of steaming horse ****! Most people in jail and certainly in Alabama jails are black. If there happens to be a Nation of Islam temple nearby I could envision a number of blacks choosing Nation of Islam over the Homewood Baptist Church in Birmingham. One could then reasonably expect a number of black criminals to attend the Nation of Islam church and convert to Muslim. Somehow I can't see the State of Alabama being real damn happy about the possibility of creating more Muslims as a result of a court order from a Christian judge.










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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    only punks & wimps get raped in prison.
    so which were you? and a big
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