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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

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    The way this is presented says that it is. Did you watch the video? The sheriff said that the punishment included church attendance every Sunday. If they don't want to make it sound like a violation of the Constitution, it is their responsibility to clarify what is being offered.

    I do not attend church because my personal religious beliefs are personal and not necessary to be shared with any other person. This would be a violation of my freedom of religion since I am being forced to learn attend a religious service that has nothing to do with my beliefs as a punishment for a crime. It is a violation of the 14th because someone in a similar situation as me legally, but who has religious beliefs that have them attending church regularly, is being offered a less severe punishment just due to their religious beliefs already coinciding with an established religion, which is part of the punishment, while mine do not include community acceptance or sharing of my beliefs.
    Im glad you are a legal expert. The fact that they offer it and live in a place with 'lectricity means they probably also have a city attorney who would tell them it was illegal if it actually was. But...preach on, internet constitutional expert.

    You arent being FORCED to do ANYTHING. Should you be the poor unfortunate soul you are given a CHOICE (yes...a CLEAR violation of your 'rights'). And just for fun...try doing a quick google search on North Baldwin County, the area we are talking about, and the number and varying available denominations. Or did you do that already?

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket
    You'd be fine if the criminal chose a Buddhist temple or Hindu temple or a Muslim mosque over a Christian church? Do you believe the judge in Alabama would be fine with any of these alternative or do you think Christian church is what the judge meant?
    I'd be fine with it. Hell, I'd want them to choose a Buddhist temple. Ever see a pissed-off Buddhist? They're the most level-headed people out there. You'd never see Richard Gere knock over an electronics store and carry out a TV.

    Also, everyone knock off the "Establishment Clause" bullcrap. This is not a violation of separation.

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Okay, how about making church-going folk who commit crimes be required to perform additional services for their church. Mentor program, meals on wheels, day care, maintenance/upkeep. Essentially community service for the cross.
    how about community service for the community and leave the cross out of it?
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i would choose wiccan services.
    Are those held on Sunday?
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Not that this is unconstitutional, but I don't agree with it at all. What the hell happened to locking people up? That sounds like a good idea, put all of their asses in jail.
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    I think that if they offer a variety of church types they should meet the Constitutional standard. If they only offer one type of church, that could be construed as promotion, but if many or all are offered then it is not promotion.
    what if the guy is an atheist?

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    he said "church of their choice" NOT "christian church of their choice". so you tell me what he meant
    The only churches in this community are christian.
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    none of which is unconstitutional. the establishment clause has long been practically interpreted as separation of church and state. this is very clear to me.
    There is no establishment of religion occuring. There IS however a 'choice' being offered. I do strongly hope you stay true to your beliefs should you ever be in the unfortunate situation and choose jail.

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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And which churches are in that area?
    why would a wiccan be living in an area without wiccan church? why would a muslim be living in an area without a mosque? if they really gave a damn about their religion, they would live in an area that had a church to cater to their need.

    Who decides if the church is acceptable or not?
    from what I read, all that is required is that the church agree to allow the criminal to attend

    What about people who do not fit into any established church?

    then they can pick any church they want, sit on the back row and sleep for an hour or so each sunday. nothing says they have to participate, only that they must attend. my father slept through church for 30 years

    Who prevents a church from ridiculing a person for their personal religious beliefs or other choices?
    why do you assume that a church would do so?
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    Re: Serve Time In Jail...Or In Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    The only churches in this community are christian.
    Dood...that is simply SO not true. Google it. You have pert near every denomination you can imagine, and we arent talking about just within the city limits...you are talking all of North Baldwin County.

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