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    Americans Express Historic Negativity Toward U.S. Government

    According to a new Gallup poll out this week, key findings don't bode well for those in office today.

    Key Findings:
    • 82% of Americans disapprove of the way Congress is handling its job.
    • 69% say they have little or no confidence in the legislative branch of government, an all-time high and up from 63% in 2010.
    • 57% have little or no confidence in the federal government to solve domestic problems, exceeding the previous high of 53% recorded in 2010 and well exceeding the 43% who have little or no confidence in the government to solve international problems.
    • 53% have little or no confidence in the men and women who seek or hold elected office.
    • Americans believe, on average, that the federal government wastes 51 cents of every tax dollar, similar to a year ago, but up significantly from 46 cents a decade ago and from an average 43 cents three decades ago.
    • 49% of Americans believe the federal government has become so large and powerful that it poses an immediate threat to the rights and freedoms of ordinary citizens. In 2003, less than a third (30%) believed this.
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/149678/Americans-Express-Historic-Negativity-Toward-Government.aspx
    Now I know that many in here towing the Obama line will say that this has more to do with congress, and those like myself with a conservative vision will say this means more about how Obama and demo's have ran things for the past three years. But the two findings I bolded can directly be attributed to my argument.

    So what do you all think? Are we in for a 'throw the bums out election? And if so, doesn't that harbinger a real problem for demo's?

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    Re: Americans Express Historic Negativity Toward U.S. Government

    Two questions to these people.

    My first question to these people is... what is the alternative? States legislatives are just as bad if not worse... they just have less money to waste.

    My second question is... why dont you do something about it and actually VOTE at elections?
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    Re: Americans Express Historic Negativity Toward U.S. Government

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Two questions to these people.

    My first question to these people is... what is the alternative? States legislatives are just as bad if not worse... they just have less money to waste.
    So your question begs the question of what would you foresee happening? Nothing? The states are what are supposed to grant power to the federal government, it seems that now most people think that policies of both repubs, and demo's have been grabbing power for too long.

    My second question is... why dont you do something about it and actually VOTE at elections?
    On that I would agree, turn out in elections in this country is pathetic.

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    Re: Americans Express Historic Negativity Toward U.S. Government

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So what do you all think? Are we in for a 'throw the bums out election? And if so, doesn't that harbinger a real problem for demo's?

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    I think people are definitely in a "throw them all out" kinda mood. There are strongholds for both sides and the election is still a ways off to determine if they will stick to it or not IMO.

    I also think Obama is in trouble, but looking at the front runners for the GOP they can snatch defeat from victory. The GOP is not going to win on the "anyone but Obama" ticket. It seems right now the GOP is going to repeat the same failures the Dems did in 2004.

    I think the majority want Obama gone, but they aren't going to just pick anyone. If the GOP picks a "Kerry", they will lose IMO

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    Re: Americans Express Historic Negativity Toward U.S. Government

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I think people are definitely in a "throw them all out" kinda mood. There are strongholds for both sides and the election is still a ways off to determine if they will stick to it or not IMO.

    I also think Obama is in trouble, but looking at the front runners for the GOP they can snatch defeat from victory. The GOP is not going to win on the "anyone but Obama" ticket. It seems right now the GOP is going to repeat the same failures the Dems did in 2004.

    I think the majority want Obama gone, but they aren't going to just pick anyone. If the GOP picks a "Kerry", they will lose IMO
    It's interesting that you use a Kerry analogy. For instance, I still like Romney, even with his Mass health care strawman that demo's are using to wedge repubs. I liked him in '08, and thought it was a crime what the party establishment did to him using Huckabee to split his vote in concert with McCain undermining him.

    No Politician is perfect IMHO, and when we hold ours to an impossible standard instead of looking to what they promise and holding them accountable, like in Obama's case he has lied to everyone from day one. Then we are in trouble.

    Romney's business record, coupled with him running a state in a liberal stronghold, and proving that he is able to get things done in that environment is a positive in my book.

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    Re: Americans Express Historic Negativity Toward U.S. Government

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So your question begs the question of what would you foresee happening? Nothing? The states are what are supposed to grant power to the federal government, it seems that now most people think that policies of both repubs, and demo's have been grabbing power for too long.
    States are just as corrupt if not more than the Federal government.. Look at Perry and Texas... the amount of corruption that is part of the system there is mind boggling and it is accepted as "business as usual". But it is not only Texas and the GOP who do it.. far from it.

    And like it or not... States are also government and as long as the system of gerrymandering is so prevalent in US politics, then if more power went to the states, then you would end up with 50 dictatorships like Texas.. and that is hardly good for the idea of democracy. Only thing really stoping this is, is the Federal system, because you cant gerrymander state lines which means Senate seats and in part the Presidency are damn hard to tilt towards one side or the other.

    On that I would agree, turn out in elections in this country is pathetic.

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    pathetic is a too nice word in my opinion. 87.4% voter turn (of the voting population.. 18+.. not registered... since everyone is registered to vote) out in Denmark 2 weeks ago..... now that is democracy in action.
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    Re: Americans Express Historic Negativity Toward U.S. Government

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post

    Romney's business record,
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    Have you actually looked into his business record? He bought up failing companies, gutted them for values, fired everyone and more than often exported the jobs overseas. Not sure if you want that type of "business" man to run a country.
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    Re: Americans Express Historic Negativity Toward U.S. Government

    I'm looking for a "Throw the Bums Out" REVOLUTION. Voting won't change those issues. Well, at least not voting via the ballot box.

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    Re: Americans Express Historic Negativity Toward U.S. Government

    At this point, I think the problem has gone beyond pointing fingers at politicians. I think apathy and negligence might play a part too. When I hear someone recite word for word what they heard on the news as fact, I see my point in action.

    I am starting to wonder if the increasing population of a country will naturally prevent any kind of consensus. The more people involved, the more issues that need to be dealt with. Compromise is thrown away. No wonder no one is happy with the government.

    How can people in Maine understand California's gun laws, labor situation, etc? Mainers may not like the disparity in force (population) of California or New York being the controlling factor in decisions about their welfare. If something is changed arbitrarily at the federal level, it becomes quite difficult for 300 million or more people to reach any agreements. We are currently suffering with this problem. In some cases, it makes sense for a smaller population to have control over some of their own affairs. A smaller government is easier to fix, or overhaul if necessary.

    I certainly don't trust the government, but I have no love for the idea of huge worldwide industries making my decisions either. Privatizing the world sounds nearly as bad as world gov. to me.

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    Re: Americans Express Historic Negativity Toward U.S. Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I'm looking for a "Throw the Bums Out" REVOLUTION. Voting won't change those issues. Well, at least not voting via the ballot box.
    Armed Insurrection then?

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