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    Re: Florida GOP sweats over Social Security

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Hidden in the ryan plan for example...was 10 yrs after it would be instituted there would be a huge surcharge copayment to all on medicare starting at 300.00 per person 600 per senior couple and scaled to rise as costs rise.
    a huge copayment on all medicare starting at $300?

    now, i'm not a nuclear physicist, but as i look at the amount of money that is spent on medicare.... and I compare that to the sum of $300.... the word that springs into my mind is not "huge". irrespective, prices for medicare-covered services need to rise.

    incidentally, did you say that your source for this was a friend said his doctor told him - as opposed to actually being able to cite it?

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    Re: Florida GOP sweats over Social Security

    While GOP candidates can try to soft soap this issue... while they can try to avoid this issue in front of the voters ....... while they can present pie-in-the-sky vague programs which "fix the problem" while really not doing so .... while they can even outright lie about their positions to one group while throwing red meat to another group ... there is a fundamental problem that every GOP candidate will have.

    The vast majority of the American public is supportive of Social Security and wants to maintain a strong program run by the government even if it means raising FICA taxes especially by popping cap on upper level income earners.

    How many GOP'ers can say they believe that same thing?

    That basic conflict in positions will open them to doom.

    http://www.aarp.org/work/social-secu...rity_75th.html

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    http://www.pollingreport.com/social.htm
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    Re: Florida GOP sweats over Social Security

    they should tell seniors how rich they could be had a private social security enabled them to invest their benefits with great companies like Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers.

    the current bailout if that plan had gone through would be mind boggling. Bernanke would have to clear cut the face of the earth to print enough money.

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    Re: Florida GOP sweats over Social Security

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    they should tell seniors how rich they could be had a private social security enabled them to invest their benefits with great companies like Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers.
    gosh, what would have happened had that been the case?


    oh wait, we don't have to wonder.


    The current debate about reforming Social Security reminds me of the discussions that occurred in Galveston County, Texas, in 1980, when our county workers were offered a different, and better, retirement alternative to Social Security: They reacted with keen interest and some knee-jerk fear of the unknown. But after 24 years, folks here can say unequivocally that when Galveston County pulled out of the Social Security system in 1981, we were on the road to providing our workers with a better deal than Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal...

    Workers making $17,000 a year are expected to receive about 50% more per month on our alternative plan than on Social Security — $1,036 instead of $683.

    • Workers making $26,000 a year will make almost double Social Security, $1,500 instead of $853.

    • Workers making $51,000 a year will get $3,103 instead of $1,368.

    • Workers making $75,000 or more will nearly triple Social Security, $4,540 instead of $1,645.

    • Our survivorship benefits pay four times a worker's annual salary — a minimum of $75,000 to a maximum $215,000 — rather than Social Security's customary onetime $255 survivorship to a spouse (with no minor children). If the worker dies before retirement, the survivors receive not only the full survivorship but get generous accidental death benefits, too.

    • Our disability benefit pays 60% of an individual's salary, better than Social Security's....

    ...Most important, we didn't force our children and grandchildren to be unduly taxed and burdened for our retirement care while these fine young people are struggling to raise and provide for their own families....
    ...The Alternate Plan has demonstrated over 30 years that personal retirement accounts work, with many retirees making more than twice what they would under Social Security. As Galveston County Judge Mark Henry says, “The plan works great. Anyone who spends a few minutes understanding the plan becomes a huge proponent.” Judge Henry says that out of 1,350 county employees, only five have chosen not to participate...
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    Re: Florida GOP sweats over Social Security

    I'm sure we would have just accepted the losses in the stock market crash and told seniors tough cookies. Lol

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    Re: Florida GOP sweats over Social Security

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    While GOP candidates can try to soft soap this issue... while they can try to avoid this issue in front of the voters ....... while they can present pie-in-the-sky vague programs which "fix the problem" while really not doing so .... while they can even outright lie about their positions to one group while throwing red meat to another group ... there is a fundamental problem that every GOP candidate will have.

    The vast majority of the American public is supportive of Social Security and wants to maintain a strong program run by the government even if it means raising FICA taxes especially by popping cap on upper level income earners.

    How many GOP'ers can say they believe that same thing?

    That basic conflict in positions will open them to doom.

    Social Security 75th Anniversary Survey Report: Public Opinion Trends

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    Re: Florida GOP sweats over Social Security

    I imagine it would, but it's not a situation where you get back what you put in, meaning Big Gub still comes out on the winning side.

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    Re: Florida GOP sweats over Social Security

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I imagine it would, but it's not a situation where you get back what you put in, meaning Big Gub still comes out on the winning side.
    no, people are kept out of poverty. we all win. and increasing the cap should NOT result in higher benefits.

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    Re: Florida GOP sweats over Social Security

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    no, people are kept out of poverty. we all win. and increasing the cap should NOT result in higher benefits.
    Why is that, that is the way the system was set up, now you want to change that and further redistribute wealth. I'll bet if you had your way, everyone would have the same level of income even if you did not work.
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    Re: Florida GOP sweats over Social Security

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Those already on SS and Medicaid, etc. have no reason to worry for themselves, do they?
    No one, repeat no one, on Social Security needs to worry that their benefits will be cut -- e.v.e.r. That is never going to happen. Democratic fearmongers would like the senior constituency to believe otherwise, but that is absolutely the worst kind of manipulation.

    Medicaid? That one's not sacred. And certainly needs to be reviewed from the standpoint of who is eligible, how much is paid, what services are covered, and rooting out fraud at every level.
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