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    Re: EPA to ban affordable inhalers?

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    Ever stop to think it might actually not?
    You can prove that it doesn't?
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    Re: EPA to ban affordable inhalers?

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    You seem to be under the impression that nobody ever bothered to check and see if this was a health risk. They checked.
    So many things that are bad for you were given a thumbs-up at some point - if the government or big drug companies support something I get suspicious because these both tend to be corrupt and self-serving.
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    Re: EPA to ban affordable inhalers?

    I'm going to totally ignore the environmental aspects of this silly EPA edict and jump right to the elephant in the room. WTF? Anyone with asthma who treats it with weak, relatively ineffective epinephrine OTC medications ( Asthma Over-the-Counter (OTC) Treatment Medications and Information on Asthma Management on MedicineNet.com ) is playing Russian roulette with their lives. Almost all asthma patients are on prescription albuterol rescue inhalers. So this epinephrine idiocy will probably affect few real asthma sufferers.

    What makes me bolt upright is the thought that if they can do this for an OTC inhaler, what's to stop them from banning albuterol and other rescue inhalers from sufferers of asthma, emphysema, COPD, bronchitus, etc. Since when can the EPA make medical decisions for the entire populace on its own?

    Their own logic is astoundingly stupid. Inhalers are not hairsprays that fill the air with noxious fumes. The contents are inhaled directly into the lungs, held there for as long as possible, and exhaled as carbon dioxide (as is every breath one exhales). What kind of roaring incompetents are filling jobs at the EPA anyway? This is assinine... and it has the potential to be deadly.

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    Re: EPA to ban affordable inhalers?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I'm going to totally ignore the environmental aspects of this silly EPA edict and jump right to the elephant in the room. WTF? Anyone with asthma who treats it with weak, relatively ineffective epinephrine OTC medications ( Asthma Over-the-Counter (OTC) Treatment Medications and Information on Asthma Management on MedicineNet.com ) is playing Russian roulette with their lives. Almost all asthma patients are on prescription albuterol rescue inhalers. So this epinephrine idiocy will probably affect few real asthma sufferers.

    What makes me bolt upright is the thought that if they can do this for an OTC inhaler, what's to stop them from banning albuterol and other rescue inhalers from sufferers of asthma, emphysema, COPD, bronchitus, etc. Since when can the EPA make medical decisions for the entire populace on its own?

    Their own logic is astoundingly stupid. Inhalers are not hairsprays that fill the air with noxious fumes. The contents are inhaled directly into the lungs, held there for as long as possible, and exhaled as carbon dioxide (as is every breath one exhales). What kind of roaring incompetents are filling jobs at the EPA anyway? This is assinine... and it has the potential to be deadly.
    Carbon dioxide has been classified as a poison by the EPA. I guess this newest regulation will bring about the birth of the breath police.
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    Re: EPA to ban affordable inhalers?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Right! I guess that why the government outlawed these kinds of puffers.

    Weren't you asking me about stupid assed government regulations on another thread recently? There ya go.
    You know, sometimes the government responds to what somebody else tells them.

    Like, when the entire scientific community goes "Whoah crap we need to stop using these like pronto."

    Are you calling Reagan a "big government" type? He signed the treaty, dude.


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    You can prove that it doesn't?
    You can prove that it does?

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    So many things that are bad for you were given a thumbs-up at some point - if the government or big drug companies support something I get suspicious because these both tend to be corrupt and self-serving.
    So.. you're suspicious of essentially every aspect of modern medicine? Do you have any specific reason to believe that tiny doses of CFCs in an inhaler would have direct health impacts or is it just more of a general "omg it's a chemical" thing?
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    Re: EPA to ban affordable inhalers?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I'm going to totally ignore the environmental aspects of this silly EPA edict and jump right to the elephant in the room. WTF? Anyone with asthma who treats it with weak, relatively ineffective epinephrine OTC medications ( Asthma Over-the-Counter (OTC) Treatment Medications and Information on Asthma Management on MedicineNet.com ) is playing Russian roulette with their lives. Almost all asthma patients are on prescription albuterol rescue inhalers. So this epinephrine idiocy will probably affect few real asthma sufferers.

    What makes me bolt upright is the thought that if they can do this for an OTC inhaler, what's to stop them from banning albuterol and other rescue inhalers from sufferers of asthma, emphysema, COPD, bronchitus, etc. Since when can the EPA make medical decisions for the entire populace on its own?

    Their own logic is astoundingly stupid. Inhalers are not hairsprays that fill the air with noxious fumes. The contents are inhaled directly into the lungs, held there for as long as possible, and exhaled as carbon dioxide (as is every breath one exhales). What kind of roaring incompetents are filling jobs at the EPA anyway? This is assinine... and it has the potential to be deadly.
    Yes, it does, and it concerns me. I use an albuterol inhaler.

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    Re: EPA to ban affordable inhalers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You know, sometimes the government responds to what somebody else tells them.

    Like, when the entire scientific community goes "Whoah crap we need to stop using these like pronto."

    Are you calling Reagan a "big government" type? He signed the treaty, dude.
    I wonder how many of them own stock in the companies that make the new puffers. It's also scientists that say that we're all doomed, because of global warming.



    You can prove that it does?
    Well, the price went up on the puffers. A purdy good indicator, that is.
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    Re: EPA to ban affordable inhalers?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Important Facts.

    1) The U.S. is bound by the Montreal treaty, signed in 1987, which has timetables for phasing our a ozone attacking gases called CFC. CFC is used to propel the drug in an inhaler.
    2) The FDA mandated the end of most CFC inhalers back in 2008. This article is about a specific type of inhaler for that dispenses epinephrine that is being taken off the market by 2012.
    3) The CFC propellant has largely been replaced by another type of gases called HFA in most inhalers.
    4) There is no HFA version that dispenses the epinephrine drug. Users will have to switch to an entirely different drug called albuterol.
    5) The Pharma industry made a deliberate choice not to develop an HFA epinephrine inhaler back in 2007, even though the FDA pointed out there were no technical barriers.

    Its easier to force consumers to buy a new more expensive prescription drug than create an actual replacement. Yet another example of the American public being bent over by the drug industry.
    The last 2 sentences make sense for companies. It costs A LOT of money for them to create new drugs. They have to pay for research, scientist's salaries, FDA testing and more.

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    Re: EPA to ban affordable inhalers?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Ever stop to think that it might actually cost more to manufacture the new puffers? Kinda like when the EPA outlawed R12 refigerent and forced us to use 134A, which is three times more expensive.
    They DID update their more expensive, prescription products. Which were about the same relative cost to the non-prescription variety as now. So its not that.
    And you forget the need for a prescription now.
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    Re: EPA to ban affordable inhalers?

    As long as the inhalers remain affordable I dont see the big deal. But if they expect people to go from a 10 dollar inhaler to a 100 dollar one, that can be a different story. I dont know the price of inhalers btw...

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