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    Re: EPA to ban affordable inhalers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dix View Post
    I've been following this issue for years, ever since my first personal experience with the new FHA inhalers, which was not a good one. If you don't even know the basics ie. the Clinton Admin link then you're the one who needs to do "more research".
    It was under the 9th meeting of the Montreal Protocol (1997) that the medical exemption for CFC inhalers was removed. The people in this thread blaming Reagan are wrong by a decade.
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    LEGALIZE CFC INHALERS

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    Former Surgeon General C. Everett Koop wrote that there is “no comparison between the infinitesimal improvement in ozone depletion that would result from the FDA’s ban and the direct impact of forced elimination of medications on 14 million American asthmatics.”
    Ben Lieberman of the Competitive Enterprise Institute noted,
    Numerous medical societies raised concerns that the wide variety of CFC inhalers currently in use will be replaced with a handful of unproven substitutes that may be inadequate for some patients.
    But banning CFC inhalers would have given Clinton administration officials new bragging rights at international environmental conclaves. (The Clinton administration downshifted on this initiative after the backlash.)
    Since CFC is the Propellant and not the active ingredient I cannot see a problem - unless you are not using a spacer properly
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    Re: EPA to ban affordable inhalers?

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    If the ingredients inside the inhaler are being inhaled directly into the lungs, how does it harm the environment?
    Oh! Dear!

    CFC is the Propellant not the active ingredient
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    Re: EPA to ban affordable inhalers?

    Quote Originally Posted by bowerbird View Post
    CFC is the Propellant not the active ingredient
    Are you not inhaling the propellant as well?

    A url for the actual text of "The Montreal Protocol on Substances that Deplete the Ozone Layer", not a condensed version in a newspaper or magazine article. One will noticed a "one liner" ---> 3. Aerosol products, except medical aerosols.

    http://ozone.unep.org/pdfs/Montreal-Protocol2000.pdf

    In this area,
    Albuterol=$48.69
    Advair=$321.69
    Spiriva=$270.69
    Prices may vary according to area.

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    Re: EPA to ban affordable inhalers?

    Quote Originally Posted by bowerbird View Post
    Oh! Dear!

    CFC is the Propellant not the active ingredient
    Then it is propelling itself right into the lungs of the user, mixing with saliva and whatever is inside the body and as the user exhales, he is exhaling nothing more than Carbon Dioxide, water vaper and what the body has not absorbed of this propellant is heavily diluted and rendered non-destructive. This banning of these over the counter inhalants is bogus.

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    Re: EPA to ban affordable inhalers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redbeard View Post
    Are you not inhaling the propellant as well?

    A url for the actual text of "The Montreal Protocol on Substances that Deplete the Ozone Layer", not a condensed version in a newspaper or magazine article. One will noticed a "one liner" ---> 3. Aerosol products, except medical aerosols.

    http://ozone.unep.org/pdfs/Montreal-Protocol2000.pdf

    In this area,
    Albuterol=$48.69
    Advair=$321.69
    Spiriva=$270.69
    Prices may vary according to area.
    I was on Advair for awhile, and when I was first put on it, Advair made all the difference in cycling ability. I could finally breathe and was back up at the front of pack. Eventually Advair stopped working for me. I was on 250 mcg's at the time. My lung specialist's answer was to increase the dosage. I didn't like that so refused to get that prescription. I then went to an allergist. He told me the reason Advair no longer worked was that over the years, my lung passeways had become extremely inflamed and had narrowed. The molecules in Advair were much too large for my passeways so increasing the dosage would be useless and would only drain my wallet, not help me. He prescribed one brand of inhaler, whose name I can't think of but it was powder and was contained inside a bullet shaped tube. It was an inhalant, but not the typical inhaler we have seen. Finally, he put me on Symbicort, which is the strongest steroid inhaler. In the meantime, I took allergy shots for 3 years, which have helped me immensely. I can now breathe, and I also have Medrol, a Prednisone substitute, just in case I get a respiratory infection, which will help me to breathe. Medrol is not an anti-biotic. It is generic Prednisone.
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    Re: EPA to ban affordable inhalers?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The only problems that Pharma ran into was that they wanted to increase profit margins. They chose not to make the drug back in 2007 despite encouragement from the FDA.

    Some times the arguments of anti business people like you amaze me.


    First you say Pharma just wants to increase profits, seeing the new inhalers are going to do that, wouldn't have have increased profits back in 2007 as well? Wouldn't they have enjoyed those increased profits for the last 4 years ? Common business sense says that if you have a product that is going to make you more in profit, you get it to the market as fast as you can.


    Seeing they didn't do this, one could just as easily say that Pharma kept making this product and putting in on shelves because it was more affordable and helped people at the same time. I realize that you won't and can't accept such a thing, because it doesn't paint big business as a villain'


    Another thing seeing you seem to “know” this increase in price is for nothing but profits, perhaps you could direct me to the site showing that this new propellant is the same cost to the manufacturer as the old one ? Or that the same amount of propellant can be used per inhaler? Are there any handling or storage requirements that are different for the new propellant ?


    That's a short list of things that might have something to do with the increased in costs, but I'm sure you have all that data at your fingertips seeing you seem to know that the increase in cost is for purely profitable reasons and nothing else.

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    Re: EPA to ban affordable inhalers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    And back in 2008 it was thought that an epinephrine inhaler using a non-CFC propellant could be developed before 2012. But they've run into problems. That turned out not to be the case and now it is not expected to be on the market by then.
    I'd like to know the details about why they can't simply use another propellent. Did you have any specifics regarding their "problems"?

    I'm of the camp that big Pharm simply wants to get more cash by forcing consumers to use their more expensive drugs.
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    Re: EPA to ban affordable inhalers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    I'd like to know the details about why they can't simply use another propellent. Did you have any specifics regarding their "problems"?

    I'm of the camp that big Pharm simply wants to get more cash by forcing consumers to use their more expensive drugs.
    It appears that to some, including the OP, the only detail of importance is that this is occurring on Obama's watch . . . .

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    Re: EPA to ban affordable inhalers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate, replying to the OP View Post
    Wait, wtf? environmental impact? What a load of horse ****.
    If you're unaware of the multi-decade controversy over CFC's, then I agree -- WTF?

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    Re: EPA to ban affordable inhalers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    I'd like to know the details about why they can't simply use another propellent. Did you have any specifics regarding their "problems"?
    Apparently they've developed one with another propellant, it just took them longer than expected. The problem is getting the Obama FDA to approve it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    I'm of the camp that big Pharm simply wants to get more cash by forcing consumers to use their more expensive drugs.
    Armstrong Pharmaceuticals is not "big Pharm" by any stretch of the term. They are small fry in a sea of great white sharks.

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