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    Re: EPA to ban affordable inhalers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dix View Post
    There was no need to ban CFC inhalers. Their emissions were minimal. Banning them has no effect on skin cancer. I disagree that they waited until a suitable replacement was developed. The new inhalers don't work as well.
    Saying "Pharma" profits so it's not the government is a smokescreen. It was Clinton who took away the exemption, thus CFC inhalers were banned.
    300-500 million people requiring them and the emissions were "minimal"? And somehow it appears that Clinton was in office in 1987!

    hint google "Montreal protocol"
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    Re: EPA to ban affordable inhalers?

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    It didn't work. I have had pre-cancerous skin growths removed from my skin, right and left. Thus the plight of all of us runners and cyclists, not to mention construction workers and farmers, who spend many hours out doors. I wouldn't consider that it was an alleged hole in the ozone layer, I would say it was spending way too much time in the sun. My father warned me about it when I used to lay out in the sun sunbathing, and my dad was born in 1907. Back then nobody ever heard of the ozone layer, much less, any holes in it, and I doubt there are any holes in it now, either.
    Then you would be wrong - on many fronts. The Montreal protocol was not to prevent skin cancer but to stop it being a fact of life every time you poked your nose out of the door.

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    Greenhouse gases: Any gas that, by an accident of chemistry, happens to absorb radiation of a type that the Earth, by an accident of history, would like to lose.
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    Re: EPA to ban affordable inhalers?

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    It didn't work. I have had pre-cancerous skin growths removed from my skin, right and left. Thus the plight of all of us runners and cyclists, not to mention construction workers and farmers, who spend many hours out doors. I wouldn't consider that it was an alleged hole in the ozone layer, I would say it was spending way too much time in the sun. My father warned me about it when I used to lay out in the sun sunbathing, and my dad was born in 1907. Back then nobody ever heard of the ozone layer, much less, any holes in it, and I doubt there are any holes in it now, either.
    Cancer is a sliding scale. Even with a healthy ozone, you still face risks if you spend too much time in the sun. The more damage to the ozone layer , the more UV radiation gets through. The more UV exposure you get, the higher your odds of getting cancer are.

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    Re: EPA to ban affordable inhalers?

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    Thanks for pointing that out. I only know of Primatine Mist, though there may be other over the counter inhalers. I was long ago prescribed Albuterol until I informed my doctor that Albuterol was no longer working.
    Primatine Mist is the only OTC inhaler. It is also the only one that uses epinephrine as the active ingredient. I've been depending on this stuff for 30 years. It's saved my life more than a few times. And abuterol doesn't work for me either.

    The alternatives to Primatine are very expensive, require a prescription, use a different active ingredient and sometimes don't work for everybody. And doctors generally do not write prescriptions for them with refills. So you have to pay for an office visit every time you need a refill. I simply don't have that kind of money.

    The corrupt Washington politicians and bureaucrats are playing games with my life. I've never felt so uncertain and helpless in my entire life.

    And time is running out. I've stocked up on Primatine inhalers, but they all expire in September 2012. About a year from now. Is that also going to be my expiration date? Probably not. It's been my experience that some of the the Primatine inhalers can still work long past their expiration date. I remember having one that was expired for 3 years that still worked.

    But what about after that?

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    Re: EPA to ban affordable inhalers?

    my asthma demands justice!!



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    Re: EPA to ban affordable inhalers?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Please tell me this is just hyperbole and not really the EPA's position.

    Asthma patients who rely on over-the-counter inhalers will need to switch to prescription-only alternatives as part of the federal government's latest attempt to protect the Earth's atmosphere.
    The Food and Drug Administration said Thursday patients who use the epinephrine inhalers to treat mild asthma will need to switch by Dec. 31 to other types that do not contain chlorofluorocarbons, an aerosol substance once found in a variety of spray products.
    The action is part of an agreement signed by the U.S. and other nations to stop using substances that deplete the ozone layer, a region in the atmosphere that helps block harmful ultraviolet rays from the Sun.
    But the switch to a greener inhaler will cost consumers more. Epinephrine inhalers are available via online retailers for around $20, whereas the alternatives, which contain the drug albuterol, range from $30 to $60.


    We couldn't make this other type of inhalers available over the counter? I thought this administrations position was in making health care more affordable.

    Obama Administration to Ban Asthma Inhalers Over Environmental Concerns | The Weekly Standard
    This is nothing more than a Mickey Mouse effort to reduce man-made global warming. Instead of taking the correct steps to end carbon emissions, the EPA takes stabs at items that will have no great impact. According to expert scientists, the existence of a next generation is not a given and that we may only have 20 to 30 years to cut carbon emissions by 50%. And, scientists say that we have not even taken one step in the right direction to actually solve the problem and that we need to do so now.

    That is why I propose a real solution to the problem. First, we need to ban all vehicles that are powered by gasoline or batteries. Second, we need to ban all heating and airconditioning that uses gas or electric. This should be enough to cut carbon emissions by 50%. Anything less, should be a non-starter.

    The question arises as to when we will begin doing this. My suggestion is that it needs to start immediately. Remember, the life you save may be your grandchilds.

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    Re: EPA to ban affordable inhalers?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    So, it sounds to me like a payoff for campaign contributions.
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    Re: EPA to ban affordable inhalers?

    Quote Originally Posted by bowerbird View Post
    300-500 million people requiring them and the emissions were "minimal"? And somehow it appears that Clinton was in office in 1987!

    hint google "Montreal protocol"
    This has already been discussed in this thread but asthma medications were exempt from the ban. It was Clinton who removed the exemption.

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    Re: EPA to ban affordable inhalers?

    It was the Bush administration who signed off on it in 2008.
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    Re: EPA to ban affordable inhalers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    It was the Bush administration who signed off on it in 2008.
    And back in 2008 it was thought that an epinephrine inhaler using a non-CFC propellant could be developed before 2012. But they've run into problems. That turned out not to be the case and now it is not expected to be on the market by then.

    All it would take is a stroke of the pen by Obama to reverse the decision via executive order. Instead he is simply risking the lives of millions of Americans. So you can shove your idiotic blame Bush BS where the sun don't shine, Bush isn't president anymore. Obama is president and it is 100% his decision to make.

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