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    Re: Michael Moore Threatens The Rich: Let's "Deal With It Nonviolently Now"

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    From what I gather, it seems that he has no problem with the rich (that would include him, I suspect) paying a higher percentage of taxes. He does not expect the rich to hand over their money directly to the poor. He just wants everyone to pay their fair share. I don't see anyhting wrong with that.
    Certainly sounds reasonable. The problem arises when we try to figure out what a "fair share" is.

    If I'm worth $80 Million and I inherited it all, what's my "fair share (this should be an easy one)?"
    If have $150,000 in the bank, but I earned that from Alaskan Crabbing (probably the most dangerous profession) what's my "fair share to cut away?"
    If I'm worth $5,000,000 and 70% of that was earned by starting/building/owning a chain of Garbage Collection Companies and 30% is "passive income (investments)," how much is my "fair share to cut away?"
    If I'm worth $5 Billion by developing a social media tool that improved the life of millions for free (against pressure to the contrary), what is my "fair share to cut away?"

    So how much do you think it's "fair" to hack away from these people's lives because they "dared to be successful?"

    Of course, "some" should be taken away and the rich should be taxed more than the other classes, but what consitutes "fair" has many different meanings depending one your perspective.
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    Re: Michael Moore Threatens The Rich: Let's "Deal With It Nonviolently Now"

    Another person scapegoating wealthy people, when the vast majority didn't do **** wrong to anyone.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
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    Re: Michael Moore Threatens The Rich: Let's "Deal With It Nonviolently Now"

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Let's say you have an idea, start your business and build a factory right in the good ole US of A. Do you not think for a moment that taxpayers money would help you?
    I think in that situation that I will be paying quite a bit in taxes already. Are you assuming they are not?

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    Re: Michael Moore Threatens The Rich: Let's "Deal With It Nonviolently Now"

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Certainly sounds reasonable. The problem arises when we try to figure out what a "fair share" is.

    If I'm worth $80 Million and I inherited it all, what's my "fair share (this should be an easy one)?"
    If have $150,000 in the bank, but I earned that from Alaskan Crabbing (probably the most dangerous profession) what's my "fair share to cut away?"
    If I'm worth $5,000,000 and 70% of that was earned by starting/building/owning a chain of Garbage Collection Companies and 30% is "passive income (investments)," how much is my "fair share to cut away?"
    If I'm worth $5 Billion by developing a social media tool that improved the life of millions for free (against pressure to the contrary), what is my "fair share to cut away?"

    So how much do you think it's "fair" to hack away from these people's lives because they "dared to be successful?"

    Of course, "some" should be taken away and the rich should be taxed more than the other classes, but what consitutes "fair" has many different meanings depending one your perspective.
    I am not sure. First, my country is different. Form what I do know, we don't get taxed on inheritance (hasn't that already been taxed?) or winnings (lottery). But the more you make, the higher the bracket. Also we have tax shelters that are quite beneficial.
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    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Michael Moore Threatens The Rich: Let's "Deal With It Nonviolently Now"

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I think in that situation that I will be paying quite a bit in taxes already. Are you assuming they are not?
    Yes. And you'll also be using the benefit of tax dollars that paid for the roads to you factory, and the educated people that you hire. I'm sure if there's a fire, tax dollars will be there to put it out.
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    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Michael Moore Threatens The Rich: Let's "Deal With It Nonviolently Now"

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Yes. And you'll also be using the benefit of tax dollars that paid for the roads to you factory, and the educated people that you hire. I'm sure if there's a fire, tax dollars will be there to put it out.
    I never argued that we should pay no taxes. I argued that we do spread the wealth and there is no reason the government should control that.

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    Re: Michael Moore Threatens The Rich: Let's "Deal With It Nonviolently Now"

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    I am not sure. First, my country is different. Form what I do know, we don't get taxed on inheritance (hasn't that already been taxed?) or winnings (lottery). But the more you make, the higher the bracket. Also we have tax shelters that are quite beneficial.
    What I oppose is, "blind taxing" of anyone with more money than somebody else. I believe the "passive" accumulation of wealth should be taxed very heavily, while wealth accumulated by good old fashioned elbow grease should be taxed much less harshly. Tax shelters are nice but are often abused by the rich. They should be limited charity donations and business startups (and I don't mean businesses started just to get the tax break, businesses that create jobs and most importantly...sustain the jobs).

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    Re: Michael Moore Threatens The Rich: Let's "Deal With It Nonviolently Now"

    If anybody bothered to watch the video, Michael Moore is quoting Michael Bloomberg, mayor of New York City, and he says specifically "This is not Michael Moore saying this, this is Mayor Bloomberg saying this, that there will be rioting in the streets."

    The thread title is disingenuous. Moore threatens no one.

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    Re: Michael Moore Threatens The Rich: Let's "Deal With It Nonviolently Now"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I think the rhetoric should have been toned down a long time ago. Unfortunately, I'm not in charge. Partisan politics will always be a big point of contention between people. The problem is that it shouldn't take something like the Gifford shooting for people to want to tone it down.
    You're right, except the Safeway shooting wasn't political. It was an irrational act by an irrantional person.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Michael Moore Threatens The Rich: Let's "Deal With It Nonviolently Now"

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Threats? That is what progressives have devolved to? What a jack ass Moore is. He clearly does not understand business, nor the meaning of hypocrisy. Where did he make his millions? How much does he give back to the government?

    Ok, So my question to libs....

    Maxine Waters, "Tea partiers can go straight to hell....And I intend to help them get there...."

    Andre Carson, "The tea party wants to see blacks hanging from a tree...."

    Hoffa, "This is a war!....

    Is this the more civil discourse dear leader was calling for after the Giffords shooting?

    What is the matter with progressives?

    You want violence? I say bring it...I am ready.

    j-mac
    This would be like me taking Glen Beck seriously.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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