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    Re: Pakistan spy agency accused of directing attacks against US targets

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
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    U.S.: Pakistan ISI directed Kabul embassy attack - World news - South and Central Asia - Pakistan - msnbc.com

    If this is, in fact, accurate, then the U.S. should immediately cut off all financial, military, and technical aid to Pakistan unless those responsible are removed from Pakistan's government and all government-related entities. There needs to be concrete and credible evidence to justify such a drastic measure. Congress should immediately request that the evidence on which the allegations are being made is furnished to determine whether such a policy change is justified.

    In the meantime, the President should direct the military to immediately devise a plan that would allow the military to rapidly eliminate the need for using Pakistan as a supply route for Afghanistan operations should the above measure become necessary.
    Pakistan is not the best of allies. They fight the Taliban, but they don't want to do too much damage as Pakistan uses these Taliban to fight India (Pakistan using Taliban against India as its strategic arm). There are also many soldiers in the Pakistani military who support the Taliban (Why the Pakistani Army Will Not Fight the Taliban). In addition to this



    The bulk of the Pakistan Army is from Punjabi. It is likely that each village in Pakistan Punjab does have a significant number of men in the Army. It has been the Pakistan Army in Punjabi that shows little willingness to fight the Taliban. Up to 70% of the Army is Punjabi, these men are not going to start fighting their own brothers, even if the brother is Taliban. Further, Pakistan is not going to sacrifice its national security for the US, and its national security requires control of Afghanistan. The Pakistani Government is fed up with American pressure linked to the billions in loans. They hate it, yet need the loans, so they go through the motions of fighting the Taliban. Americans have made derogatory comments on Pakistan for so long.The rank and file Pakistani soldier doesn't want to fight Taliban, but secretly wants to kick American butt.
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    Re: Pakistan spy agency accused of directing attacks against US targets

    With friends like Pakistan, who needs enemies? But they're going to have to clean their game up. I'm sure they wouldn't want to be taken over and then gifted to India.
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    Re: Pakistan spy agency accused of directing attacks against US targets

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    It's likely that the ISI intentionally provided support for the terrorist groups, instead of some loopholes. Create a terror, an enemy, and then voila, you have aid from the US. Typical terror manipulation. The only thing different is that the ISI either did it horribly, or the US is really bothered by that and decided to do something about that.
    I worry about how far Pakistan and the ISI has gone to create enemies of the USA and assist in their attacks against us. I think you can all grasp what I'm getting at.

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    Re: Pakistan spy agency accused of directing attacks against US targets

    Quote Originally Posted by stsburns View Post
    I'm not surprised. Come on now, no "Ally" harbors his friends enemies. The sadder part is that the CIA thinks we (USA) are good with Pakistan. Apparently we are so arrogant that we can't tell our friends from out enemies, or that we would even care.
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    Despite what you think, the intelligence community aren't dumb as you portray them.
    Many people always accuse the intelligence community of being incompetent, stupid, and making too much errors, as if they can do a better job. If the intelligence community failed, then the US would have collapsed by now.
    The people working for intelligence know what they're doing, they have years of experience, they know more than what the idiotic media can show, which is only a fraction of what happens

    Of course the US government knows the ISI has been working with Afghani warlords and has been doing so for years. The US currently feels that it needs to be friendly with Pakistan more then the damage caused by Pakistani support of Haqqani. What this public declaration is doing is stating clearly that Pakistan has to contain Haqqani and limit the damage done by the Haqqani network before a certain threshold is crossed. That threashold would be the point at which the Pakistani support of Haqqani outweighs the benifits of US being friendly with Pakistan

    People have to remember that Pakistani interests in Afghanistan are somewhat different then US interests, and given the location of Pakistan to Afghanistan combined with the fairweather friendlship the US (ie only when needed) has with Pakistan, Pakistan is putting its interests ahead of those of the US.
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    Re: Pakistan spy agency accused of directing attacks against US targets

    Quote Originally Posted by stsburns View Post
    I'm not surprised. Come on now, no "Ally" harbors his friends enemies. The sadder part is that the CIA thinks we (USA) are good with Pakistan. Apparently we are so arrogant that we can't tell our friends from out enemies, or that we would even care.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    With friends like Pakistan, who needs enemies? But they're going to have to clean their game up. I'm sure they wouldn't want to be taken over and then gifted to India.
    How many nukes do you want launched and or released to various independant groups?
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    Re: Pakistan spy agency accused of directing attacks against US targets

    Quote Originally Posted by stsburns View Post
    I'm not surprised. Come on now, no "Ally" harbors his friends enemies. The sadder part is that the CIA thinks we (USA) are good with Pakistan. Apparently we are so arrogant that we can't tell our friends from out enemies, or that we would even care.
    ......without getting too deep into the weeds..... I wouldn't worry about that too much.

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    Re: Pakistan spy agency accused of directing attacks against US targets

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    Despite what you think, the intelligence community aren't dumb as you portray them.
    Many people always accuse the intelligence community of being incompetent, stupid, and making too much errors, as if they can do a better job. If the intelligence community failed, then the US would have collapsed by now.
    The people working for intelligence know what they're doing, they have years of experience, they know more than what the idiotic media can show, which is only a fraction of what happens
    it's also worth noting that, given that this would be an assessment on a nominal "ally", any actual intelligence estimate regarding Pakistani forces will generally be classified Secret // NOFORN.... after all, we don't collect on our allies.... no sir, never, that would be ungentlemanly... just as (we have no doubt) they never collect on us .


    so, getting an actual accurate depiction of the IC's assessment of the ISI is unlikely.

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    Re: Pakistan spy agency accused of directing attacks against US targets

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    How many nukes do you want launched and or released to various independant groups?
    How many nukes do they have? Are they releasing material, knowledge, etc to various independent groups now? I mean, if they're going to go this far with their support and training of terrorists, what's to say they haven't been doing so. Maybe we're just better off expanding India till it boarders Afghanistan.
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    Re: Pakistan spy agency accused of directing attacks against US targets

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    How many nukes do they have? Are they releasing material, knowledge, etc to various independent groups now? I mean, if they're going to go this far with their support and training of terrorists, what's to say they haven't been doing so. Maybe we're just better off expanding India till it boarders Afghanistan.
    Yes because I'm sure an Indian Occupational force wouldn't cause any problems in Pakistan whatsoever....

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    Re: Pakistan spy agency accused of directing attacks against US targets

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Yes because I'm sure an Indian Occupational force wouldn't cause any problems in Pakistan whatsoever....
    Not if you Germany it up first. They'll be fine.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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