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    Re: White supremacist executed for dragging death

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    yes it does.
    both penalties remove the murderer from society at large, but only one has him housed with other ,lesser, criminals ... and a lifer has nothing to lose, so he can kill at will in prison.
    Homicide rates in prison are ridiculously low and the most heinous killers are usually kept separate from prisoners, so I don't think that's a huge issue. That said, the safety of society is still equal between the death sentence and life in prison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Homicide rates in prison are ridiculously low and the most heinous killers are usually kept separate from prisoners, so I don't think that's a huge issue. That said, the safety of society is still equal between the death sentence and life in prison.
    prison homicide rates are not really "ridiculously low"... they are lower than most big city rates, though....and plenty of cities have murder rates below the prison murder rate.


    if the issue of safety is equal... why not execute them?... why house them like cattle for decades and decades?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    law is nothing more or less than a formalized public moral system - your beliefs, your morals, your emotions, they are going to be part of it. we punish child rape more harshly than adult rape because we feel a special revulsion at the evil of the crime.

    no tears for this guy. my main problem is the length of time it took from trial to burial - the hoops and steps and length of our death penalty serves to disconnect it in the public mind from the crime, and severely degrades it's deterrent impact. this guy should have been hung publicly, and it should have been done years ago.

    amen!!!!
    the time it takes in OBVIOUS cases is ridiculous.
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    Re: White supremacist executed for dragging death

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    And I believe it was the victim's daughter who said she thought lethal injection was too lenient compared to what her dad went through.
    Of course the victims family would want the punishment to be cruel and unusual, which is probably why it's a good idea that victims relatives don't have legal rights in these situations.

    The death penalty is a tricky one, in this case, did this guy get what was coming to him? Yes absolutely, he deserved to die for what he did...

    But that doesn't automatically remove the fact that innocent people do get executed, two wrongs do not make a right. And I find it awfully funny how so many people on the right side of the aisle have such a problem with government, that they shouldn't be involved at all in education, shouldn't look out for the welfare of the elderly, shouldn't be involved in Health care, regulation because government can't do anything right... but hey, we're perfectly ok with the government being able to put people to death, knowing they sometimes screw it up.

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    Re: White supremacist executed for dragging death

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Of course the victims family would want the punishment to be cruel and unusual, which is probably why it's a good idea that victims relatives don't have legal rights in these situations.

    The death penalty is a tricky one, in this case, did this guy get what was coming to him? Yes absolutely, he deserved to die for what he did...

    But that doesn't automatically remove the fact that innocent people do get executed, two wrongs do not make a right. And I find it awfully funny how so many people on the right side of the aisle have such a problem with government, that they shouldn't be involved at all in education, shouldn't look out for the welfare of the elderly, shouldn't be involved in Health care, regulation because government can't do anything right... but hey, we're perfectly ok with the government being able to put people to death, knowing they sometimes screw it up.
    it's a "fact" that innocent people get executed?...can you back up this fact with evidence?

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    Re: White supremacist executed for dragging death

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    it's a "fact" that innocent people get executed?...can you back up this fact with evidence?
    It's actually a well known fact.

    How Many Innocent Inmates Are Executed? | Section of Individual Rights and Responsibilities

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    Re: White supremacist executed for dragging death

    Im all for the death penalty.
    in fact I believe it should be used more often.
    IMO prison and punishment is already TOO SOFT AND EASY.

    now with that said, YES the system is not perfect and breaks but the system needs improved not the punishment lessened.
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    Re: White supremacist executed for dragging death

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    prison homicide rates are not really "ridiculously low"... they are lower than most big city rates, though....and plenty of cities have murder rates below the prison murder rate.
    They are ridiculously low. Homicide in state prisons dropped 93% from 1980 to 2002. There were 87 homicides in state prisons in 2002. Moreover, the most heinous criminals are often separated from the population so it's difficult to say that they are responsible for the deaths.

    if the issue of safety is equal... why not execute them?... why house them like cattle for decades and decades?
    Because it's only purpose is revenge and morality, two things that have nothing to do with safety and are entirely too subjective and emotional to be the basis of punishment.

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    Re: White supremacist executed for dragging death

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    your article doesn't provide any evidence for the "well known fact" of innocents being executed.

    the article does provide evidence that the appeals process works, though.

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    Re: White supremacist executed for dragging death

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    They are ridiculously low. Homicide in state prisons dropped 93% from 1980 to 2002. There were 87 homicides in state prisons in 2002. Moreover, the most heinous criminals are often separated from the population so it's difficult to say that they are responsible for the deaths.


    Because it's only purpose is revenge and morality, two things that have nothing to do with safety and are entirely too subjective and emotional to be the basis of punishment.
    hmm... prison homicides rates are "ridiculously low" so it's a non issue.... but only about 1000 murderers since 1977 have been executed.
    why doesn't this "ridiculously low " execution rate have you claiming the death penalty a non-issue?

    and no, there are more purposes for the death penalty than revenge and morality.. those are the 2 purposes YOU assign it to make you argument.

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