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    Re: White supremacist executed for dragging death

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I agree with alot of what you've said DiAnna...and yes multiple eyewitness' see different things in a different ways and sometimes totally opposite.

    Years ago Detectives had to rely on eye witness' and whatever physical evidence was available...there was no DNA....The investigators gathered everything they could and handed it to the Prosecutors Office and then they were done with it...were mistakes made..absolutely.....fast forward to today.
    Dna and technology has changed investigations and has made it possible to prove guilt or innocent with alot more scientific accuracy

    I dislike the death penalty, ...but I do believe there are some humans that are not worth salvaging and dont deserve to live 40 yrs on the taxpayers dime.
    Ted Bundy....Jeffrey Dahmer....and yes I believe there needs to be firm proof of guilt.
    We totally agree. In fact I have said in other threads on this forum today that I shed no tears for the execution of the cold-blooded murderer who dragged Mr. Byrd to death, nor for any of the heinous crimes committed when there is overwhelming physical evidence connecting them to the crimes. In this case, I'm not certain I could have even convicted without any coroborating evidence... I certainly would never send someone to be executed without it. I do not feel good about Troy Davis' execution.

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    Re: White supremacist executed for dragging death

    The US had 46 in 2010, 52 in 2009, and 37 in 2008, assuming around a 20 year average from murder to execution, that leaves about 60,000 murders for '88, '89, and '90 that still had some doubt in them somewhere. I realize that's a pretty broad brush with statistics, and I realize it's still possible to make a mistakes. Crime has come down since the '80's and '90's, too. But, does anyone really think that putting 46 people to death in the US for crimes they were committed of after having full trial and multiple appeals compared to 2.5million deaths annually in the US is really a huge concern? The normal population of the US has about 800 deaths per 100,000 a year. In prison, the death rate is about 250 deaths per 100,000 a year. If you're just considering adults, 250/year is about 20% lower than regular people. Meaning, you're 20% less likely to die in prison than you are out of prison. Now, apply that to the people we're discussing - typically violent men with past felonies. They probably only lasted the 20 or so years until they were executed because they were in prison. The death penalty is a major factor in plea-bargaining. It should not come off the table.
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    Re: White supremacist executed for dragging death

    The death penalty is appropriate for heinous crimes proven beyond doubt.

    It's not appropriate for ordinary murder proven by shady police practices and lazy judicial review.
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    Re: White supremacist executed for dragging death

    If you're referring to the Troy Davis execution, are you saying that multiple courts, including the Supreme Court, were lazy in their reviews?

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    Re: White supremacist executed for dragging death

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    If you're referring to the Troy Davis execution, are you saying that multiple courts, including the Supreme Court, were lazy in their reviews?
    You are right...troy davis went through the entire process..from start to finish and over many years...if there were any blatant police law breaking or a lack of evidence it would have certainly came out...all the hyperbole your reading now is Liberal Media and Activist created.
    I do not like the death penalty at all..and I absolutely agree that it should be adminstered rarely and for the unsalvageable like Ted Bundys

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    Re: White supremacist executed for dragging death

    I can't even go that far, but I accept that our society disagrees with me.

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    Re: White supremacist executed for dragging death

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    law is nothing more or less than a formalized public moral system - your beliefs, your morals, your emotions, they are going to be part of it. we punish child rape more harshly than adult rape because we feel a special revulsion at the evil of the crime.

    no tears for this guy. my main problem is the length of time it took from trial to burial - the hoops and steps and length of our death penalty serves to disconnect it in the public mind from the crime, and severely degrades it's deterrent impact. this guy should have been hung publicly, and it should have been done years ago.
    I agree with the 1st paragraph, but take serious issue with the notion that the death penalty is a deterrent.

    Most studies on the subject suggest there is little to no deterrent aspect to the death penalty. In fact, some studies on the subject have gone so far to suggest the very existence of a death penalty actually promotes murder, for many of the reasons you outlined in paragraph 1. The very existence of a violent punishment is reflective a society that sanctions violence; and deems it appropriate to solve problems with violence.

    BTW... clothes are hung and people are hanged.

    http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/committees/dpsc_final.pdf

    http://www.e-archives.ky.gov/pubs/Pu...me_control.htm
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    Re: White supremacist executed for dragging death

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    If you're referring to the Troy Davis execution, are you saying that multiple courts, including the Supreme Court, were lazy in their reviews?
    To some extent that is likely true, but the bigger issue is the review process for death penalty cases likely needs a better standard.

    Once a man (woman) is convicted, the basic presumption rightfully shifts to a presumption of guilty. To be exonerated after the fact, one must prove their innocence or at least prove the damning evidence was unlawfully obtained or used. That is probably a good standard for most cases, but in the case of an execution, where the person gets no second chance at this, they should likely have a lower standard that, at least, sets aside the execution. The standard to move forward with an execution should be higher than "just beyond reasonable doubt" with all types of collaborating evidence... and should anyone move something from this exceptionally lofty standard, the death penalty should be set aside.

    As to the laziness of the courts, they tended to follow this standard for a long-time, setting aside a death penalty whenever there was any doubt whatsoever. The courts then started feeling the political pressure of averting too many executions, so they "got lazy" and did it the easy way.

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    Re: White supremacist executed for dragging death

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    If you're referring to the Troy Davis execution, are you saying that multiple courts, including the Supreme Court, were lazy in their reviews?
    I won't levy that charge against the courts, but i'll levy is against the Texas Clemency board.... they are some lazy sob's, by design

    i'm a fan of the death penalty... but i'm a fan doing everything we can do to get the innocence/guilt thing correct too.

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    Re: White supremacist executed for dragging death

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    law is nothing more or less than a formalized public moral system - your beliefs, your morals, your emotions, they are going to be part of it. we punish child rape more harshly than adult rape because we feel a special revulsion at the evil of the crime.

    no tears for this guy. my main problem is the length of time it took from trial to burial - the hoops and steps and length of our death penalty serves to disconnect it in the public mind from the crime, and severely degrades it's deterrent impact. this guy should have been hung publicly, and it should have been done years ago.
    Good points.

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