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    Re: White supremacist executed for dragging death

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Forgive me again for not having read the entire thread. This is one death penalty case of which I completely approve. The physical evidence was overwhelming. The victims blood and tissue found on the rope, and in the truck, and IIRC on the clothing and shoes of the individuals. The crime was one of the most shocking and heinous I can remember. The men who did this both deserve to die.

    This type of crime, with this kind of overwhelming physical evidence, is what the death penalty was created for... not the Troy Davis case.
    But I am sure there are still people that were against this man dying just like inthe other case.

    The other case had 10 eye witnesses. Yes one or two eye witnesses are flimsy but 10 saying the same thing is not flimsy.

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    Re: White supremacist executed for dragging death

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    But I am sure there are still people that were against this man dying just like inthe other case.

    The other case had 10 eye witnesses. Yes one or two eye witnesses are flimsy but 10 saying the same thing is not flimsy.
    History has repeatedly proven that eye witness testimony uncorroborated by any other physical evidence is basically worthless. People's memories are seriously impaired during moments of trauma, and the slightest hint that one individual may be a suspect (like seeing him arrested on tv) makes witnesses believe that was the person they saw, even if it wasn't.

    Ask any of the uncountable convicted rapists and killers who were eventually freed when dna evidence contradicted the eye witness accounts.

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    Re: White supremacist executed for dragging death

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    History has repeatedly proven that eye witness testimony uncorroborated by any other physical evidence is basically worthless. People's memories are seriously impaired during moments of trauma, and the slightest hint that one individual may be a suspect (like seeing him arrested on tv) makes witnesses believe that was the person they saw, even if it wasn't.

    Ask any of the uncountable convicted rapists and killers who were eventually freed when dna evidence contradicted the eye witness accounts.
    If you are talking about 1 or 2 witnesses, I agree, but 10 people that saw the same thing?

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    Re: White supremacist executed for dragging death

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    But I am sure there are still people that were against this man dying just like inthe other case.

    The other case had 10 eye witnesses. Yes one or two eye witnesses are flimsy but 10 saying the same thing is not flimsy.
    In the Troy Davis nearly all of the eye witnesses recanted their stories, some said they were coerced by the police into their testimony.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: White supremacist executed for dragging death

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    In the Troy Davis nearly all of the eye witnesses recanted their stories, some said they were coerced by the police into their testimony.
    So were they lying then or are they lying now? You find it credible that 7 people were coerced to lie under oath in tha case? 7 people. And it took 20 years to come out. It cost these people nothing to recant so I am sure the defense went to them saying, you have nothing to lose, please help us save his life. With nothing to lose, maybe they did, but if they lied back then, don't put too much weight on what they say now.

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    Re: White supremacist executed for dragging death

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    If you are talking about 1 or 2 witnesses, I agree, but 10 people that saw the same thing?
    I don't care if it's 500 eye witnesses. Without corroboration and physical evidence, the facial recognition of 500 people who will all give completely different versions of what they saw and descriptions of who they saw (ask any police officer) but suddenly come together when faced by a line up is suspect and should never be enough to convict a person, let alone execute him.

    There are myriad subtle ways to let potential witnesses know "who" the suspect is. For example, if the suspect has been described as tall, average build, putting him in a line up with a bunch of short, stocky individuals guarantees an I.D. from a shell-shocked witness. We're talking dead police officer here. I'm not the least bit confident that everything leading to the conviction of Troy Davis without a hint of physical evidence was completely without leading and/or coercing their identification, as most of the witnesses have already conceded over the years.

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    Re: White supremacist executed for dragging death

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I don't care if it's 500 eye witnesses. Without corroboration and physical evidence, the facial recognition of 500 people who will all give completely different versions of what they saw and descriptions of who they saw (ask any police officer) but suddenly come together when faced by a line up is suspect and should never be enough to convict a person, let alone execute him.

    There are myriad subtle ways to let potential witnesses know "who" the suspect is. For example, if the suspect has been described as tall, average build, putting him in a line up with a bunch of short, stocky individuals guarantees an I.D. from a shell-shocked witness. We're talking dead police officer here. I'm not the least bit confident that everything leading to the conviction of Troy Davis without a hint of physical evidence was completely without leading and/or coercing their identification, as most of the witnesses have already conceded over the years.
    Is that what is being alleged in his case?

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    Re: White supremacist executed for dragging death

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    So were they lying then or are they lying now? You find it credible that 7 people were coerced to lie under oath in tha case? 7 people. And it took 20 years to come out. It cost these people nothing to recant so I am sure the defense went to them saying, you have nothing to lose, please help us save his life. With nothing to lose, maybe they did, but if they lied back then, don't put too much weight on what they say now.
    I think it provides enough reasonable doubt to take the death penalty off the table. Especially combined with the lack of physical evidence.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: White supremacist executed for dragging death

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Is that what is being alleged in his case?
    Yes, it is. The fact that there is not one iota of physical evidence... not one drop of blood, no murder weapon, no hair, no fiber, nothing... has never been disputed.

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    Re: White supremacist executed for dragging death

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I don't care if it's 500 eye witnesses. Without corroboration and physical evidence, the facial recognition of 500 people who will all give completely different versions of what they saw and descriptions of who they saw (ask any police officer) but suddenly come together when faced by a line up is suspect and should never be enough to convict a person, let alone execute him.

    There are myriad subtle ways to let potential witnesses know "who" the suspect is. For example, if the suspect has been described as tall, average build, putting him in a line up with a bunch of short, stocky individuals guarantees an I.D. from a shell-shocked witness. We're talking dead police officer here. I'm not the least bit confident that everything leading to the conviction of Troy Davis without a hint of physical evidence was completely without leading and/or coercing their identification, as most of the witnesses have already conceded over the years.
    I agree with alot of what you've said DiAnna...and yes multiple eyewitness' see different things in a different ways and sometimes totally opposite.

    Years ago Detectives had to rely on eye witness' and whatever physical evidence was available...there was no DNA....The investigators gathered everything they could and handed it to the Prosecutors Office and then they were done with it...were mistakes made..absolutely.....fast forward to today.
    Dna and technology has changed investigations and has made it possible to prove guilt or innocent with alot more scientific accuracy

    I dislike the death penalty, ...but I do believe there are some humans that are not worth salvaging and dont deserve to live 40 yrs on the taxpayers dime.
    Ted Bundy....Jeffrey Dahmer....and yes I believe there needs to be firm proof of guilt.

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