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Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

I am watching CNN right now and they say the Supreme Court denies his appeal and he will be executed as soon as Georgia officials get the word.
 
I am watching CNN right now and they say the Supreme Court denies his appeal and he will be executed as soon as Georgia officials get the word.
Yeah, and the mother of the police officer who he allegedly killed is on right now. I find her incredibly annoying.
 
Doesn't matter what you call it. The same question still needs an answer. What percentage of "not legally sufficiently guilty" people should be allowed to be wrongly executed by the state is acceptable to you to maintain executing the "legally sufficiently guilty?"

Uh I am not a big fan of the death penalty

on the other hand I believe in full criminal and civil immunity for the targeted victim of a felony who kills or maims an assailant in the transactional sphere of a felonious attack
 
Uh I am not a big fan of the death penalty

on the other hand I believe in full criminal and civil immunity for the targeted victim of a felony who kills or maims an assailant in the transactional sphere of a felonious attack

"Self defense is ok"

I said what you said, but in less words. I don't think anyone is arguing that you shouldn't be allowed to defend yourself to the extent that is necessary.

A 90-year old woman in a wheelchair may be hell-bent on killing you with her bare hands, but I don't think that justifies you shooting her, personally.

Imminent, mortal danger that you cannot easily escape? Sure. Blast away.
 
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Yeah, and the mother of the police officer who he allegedly killed is on right now. I find her incredibly annoying.

Cooper's question was stupid though. What do you think of Davis? Well not **** she is going to be like I don't like him.
 
Uh I am not a big fan of the death penalty

on the other hand I believe in full criminal and civil immunity for the targeted victim of a felony who kills or maims an assailant in the transactional sphere of a felonious attack

You are dodging.

Simple question.

Facts
#1) You are for the death penalty
#2) Death penalty means you will kill those that are not guilty

Therefore if you are for the death penalty continuing and knowing that it will kill those innocent of said crime, you have to have a threshold that you will accept the innocent being killed to maintain a pro-death penalty system.

What is your percentage/threshold?
 
"Self defense is ok"

I said what you said, but in less words. I don't think anyone is arguing that you shouldn't be allowed to defend yourself to the extent that is necessary.

A 90-year old woman in a wheelchair may be hell-bent on killing you with her bare hands, but I don't think that justifies you shooting her, personally.

Imminent, mortal danger that you cannot easily escape? Sure. Blast away.

someone breaks into your occupied home-he's fair game even if you shoot him in the back as he sneaks through your home

someone comes into your store and threatens you or a worker, kill him. if he falls to the ground and keeps moving, shoot him again.

if someone is breaking into your car on your property-I think you should be able to kill him as well-he might come to your home next

as long as its a felony on your property or an assault on your person, he is fair game

however if someone has stolen your car and a month later you see him pulled up at the stop light in your car you shouldn't be able to pull out your Barrett 50 and then put one through his head as he drives away
 
Uh I am not a big fan of the death penalty

on the other hand I believe in full criminal and civil immunity for the targeted victim of a felony who kills or maims an assailant in the transactional sphere of a felonious attack

I am not either, especially when the death penalty becomes a lynching, as it is now. They are now going ahead with the execution. Self defense I am completely OK with. In that regard, I am OK with Troy Davis killing one of the executioners before he dies, if he is able to.
 
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Cooper's question was stupid though. What do you think of Davis? Well not **** she is going to be like I don't like him.
That's true. However, I always feel a bit uneasy with the almost arrogant satisfaction family members of victims get with regards to the death penalty, especially when so much doubt surrounds the case.

That said, I really shouldn't talk since I had the same arrogant satisfaction in the moments after bin Laden's death.
 
You are dodging.

Simple question.

Facts
#1) You are for the death penalty
#2) Death penalty means you will kill those that are not guilty

Therefore if you are for the death penalty continuing and knowing that it will kill those innocent of said crime, you have to have a threshold that you will accept the innocent being killed to maintain a pro-death penalty system.

What is your percentage/threshold?

asked and answered
 
asked and answered

Another evasive dodge. You flow into threads making posts that are so damn definitive but I have yet to see you back up anything you say. You haven't answered this simple question, instead you play circle-jerk and say you have. You always weigh in on tax threads and I asked you twice to state what tax structure would you build because all's you do is bitch about taxes but provide no solutions.

Stand up for yourself. Even if I don't agree with you at least you could garner some respect by showing you actually thought about something rather than just blurting about something then running away when asked about why you have that stance.
 
You are dodging.

Simple question.

Facts
#1) You are for the death penalty
#2) Death penalty means you will kill those that are not guilty

Therefore if you are for the death penalty continuing and knowing that it will kill those innocent of said crime, you have to have a threshold that you will accept the innocent being killed to maintain a pro-death penalty system.

What is your percentage/threshold?

Clearly that is nonsense. Being for the death penalty simply means you are for people that are found guilty by a jury of their peers to put to death for their act. In almost all cases these means extreme cases and were guilt is clear. This case there is a question on his quilt that can be answered by looking into the DNA Troy Davis wants to be looked at, which it should very well be. In no way does any of this mean the position is born from the wish for innocent people to be put to death. You are only making up stuff to make a position against it. Sure mistakes happen and people are put to death that shouldn't be, but that is exception to the rule and something no one supports.
 
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Did you know that every time a baby is born, there is a chance they could grow up to be a rapist or murderer? Me personally, I am not so cowardly as to live in fear of some imagined might be scenario.
Those chances could be moved close to zero if the males were simply terminated. ;)

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Clearly that is nonsense. Being for the death penalty simply means you are for people that are found guilty by a jury of their peers to put to death for their act. In almost all cases these means extreme cases and were guilt is clear. This case there is a question on his quilt that can be answered by looking into the DNA Troy Davis wants to be looked at. In no way does any of this mean the position is born from the wish for innocent people to be put to death. You are only making up stuff to make a position against it. Sure mistakes happen and people are put to death that shouldn't be, but that is exception to the rule and something no one supports.

I apologize if that is the way it came off. I never intended to imply that if you are for the death penalty then you "wish for innocent people to be put to death." Of course you want just the guilty to be killed. But there is no judicial system that can produce a 100% proof positive way of killing only the guilty. Therefore you have to be willing to permit executing innocents at some rate in order to fulfill a desire to kill the guilty. There is no way around that.

There is no 100% proof-positive system in killing just the guilty in a death penalty system but executions are 100% proof-positive in not being reversible.
 
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The deed has been done.............

 
this is truly cruel and unusual punishment

its like those Chuck Norris Missing in action films where some sadistic NVA officer plays Russian Roulette with some POW. they should exhaust all the appeals months in advance rather than strapping the guy down, pulling him up etc

but I do have issues with the death penalty and this is one reason

That's quite the rant...
 
I am not either, especially when the death penalty becomes a lynching, as it is now. They are now going ahead with the execution. Self defense I am completely OK with. In that regard, I am OK with Troy Davis killing one of the executioners before he dies, if he is able to.

This is effed up.

America has disgraced itself today. If a government is going to kill its own people, it better make sure the people being killing are not innocent.
 
Dan... I haven't seen you in forever. Since PCF. How you doing?

Doing great. Playing for the Edison Freeman Project now. :)

You still a mod over there?
 
I don't know much about Georgia or it's politics, but why is this possible?

They are showing his photos on CNN right now, and the world is waiting for the announcement he is dead. It's obvious this is highly controversial, yet the state isn't even batting an eye over taking his life.
 
Doing great. Playing for the Edison Freeman Project now. :)

You still a mod over there?

Was the guy from Texas that you posted the article of, later proven to be innocent?
 
I don't know much about Georgia or it's politics, but why is this possible?

They are showing his photos on CNN right now, and the world is waiting for the announcement he is dead. It's obvious this is highly controversial, yet the state isn't even batting an eye over taking his life.

You mean except for the 500 or so people demonstrating outside the prison? And those posting about it on message boards. And those talking about it among friends?

As best I can tell, the problem came down to the law. The law lays out the procedures, and they where followed. Once convicted, the standard of proof is changed, and there are rules for what can get him new trials, and what can get his case overturned, and so on.
 
Was the guy from Texas that you posted the article of, later proven to be innocent?

Willingham? Yea, he is the one Perry signed the execution order for, then when the Forensics Board was about to release a report that he was innocent, Perry fired them and replaced them with political cronies, who killed the investigation.
 
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