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Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

What about a child who's molested but doesn't say anything out of fear for awhile (and after any physical evidence is gone)? Just too bad, so sad?

You're moving the goal post. Anyway, I'll answer this too. Child abuse has a standard that is very different from a criminal trial, we assume the accused is guilty until proven otherwise and remove the child for their own safety. It doesn't change the fact that the child could be lying (which is very often) or wrong about who abuse them. The people who investigate these things should consider more than the child's word to make any conclusions - like signs of actual physical or sexual abuse, and whether the accuse has the opportunity to conduct the alleged abuse.

Currently police bring charges against someone based only on the word of a single victim all the time. Those of you who argue they don't, are just inaccurate. To do anything else ignores the realities of how and where crimes are committed. It's up to the jury if they believe the witness by the high standard of proof of beyond a reasonable doubt.

You didn't ask if people bring charges base on their own beliefs, you asked if the police should believe someone base on that person's words and nothing else. Two very different things. The police and definitely the jury should consider more than eyewitness testimonies, even from the allege victim him/herself.
 
T is for whatever you want it to be. ýou're pretty good at making **** up that people don't actually say to suit your argument any other time. the death penalty is barbaric and uncivilized. i apply the some feeling to any Country that uses it as punishment. while I oppose the death penalty, the bigger issue for me is that i am bothered by the fact that some states have no difficulty executing a convicted party without an extensive body of physical evidence. if you're going to take somebody's life, you better be damned sure that you know that they're guilty. whether or not Troy Davis is guilty, the evidence doesn't seem to be anywhere close to being conclusive. that is what this thread is about afterall.

sorry if that makes your butt hurt and you want to take it personally.

I'm not the one acting butthurt and defensive. Really, I thought I pretty evenly asked you to clarify what you meant. What you said was you're glad your country is much too civilized to execute anyone, no matter if they're actually guilty or not. Did you not say that?
 
That is completely contrary to a convention of American jurisprudence, which believes that it is better that a guilty man go free than an innocent man spend a day in prison. Your worldview is much closer to Nazi justice that would shoot a whole town just to be certain they got the guilty party. Sorry sir, but on matters of justice I say your views are un-American.

Tigger is a poorly disguised sock puppet. He's a caricature of a right-wing fascist but he manages to contradict himself all the time. (calls himself ultra-authoritarian yet can be found in other threads being borderline libertarian)
 
I'm not the one acting butthurt and defensive. Really, I thought I pretty evenly asked you to clarify what you meant. What you said was you're glad your country is much too civilized to execute anyone, no matter if they're actually guilty or not. Did you not say that?

i do not, under any circumstances support the death penalty. Your Star said it best imo.

I would rather let every heinous criminal avoid the gallows to save the one innocent person. The death penalty is just not worth it IMO.

the life of the person that killed someone I love is not considered an equal trade for my loved one. how can some total stranger assume that by sentencing the offender to death, things will automatically be squared up? it's not and it never will be. it won't bring closure, that has to come from within.

if anyone is interested, there's an American website out there that opposes the death penalty. they campaign on behalf of murder victims and their families.

these a real people, real stories. absolutely heartbreaking. these people know what it's like to lose someone they loved very much, and they are completely against the death penalty.
some of them have witnessed the death penalty being carried out and they say that it gives them absolutely no peace at all. in fact it just creates more victims.

Victims' Stories | Murder Victims
 
I disagree. I think at this point with our technology we should instead require solid physical evidence for execution, but not throw it out entirely.

that would at least be better than what happens right now. perry should be in jail for what he did. we are so cavalier with lives that we think don't matter.
 
i do not, under any circumstances support the death penalty. Your Star said it best imo.



the life of the person that killed someone I love is not considered an equal trade for my loved one. how can some total stranger assume that by sentencing the offender to death, things will automatically be squared up? it's not and it never will be. it won't bring closure, that has to come from within.

if anyone is interested, there's an American website out there that opposes the death penalty. they campaign on behalf of murder victims and their families.

these a real people, real stories. absolutely heartbreaking. these people know what it's like to lose someone they loved very much, and they are completely against the death penalty.
some of them have witnessed the death penalty being carried out and they say that it gives them absolutely no peace at all. in fact it just creates more victims.

Victims' Stories | Murder Victims

Just because some victims families may still oppose the death penalty doesn't mean others haven't found some measure of peace in knowing that the SOB who killed their loved one is no longer, himself, enjoying life. Let's be honest here. The only reason you're talking at all about the crime victims is because I brought it up.
 
the life of the person that killed someone I love is not considered an equal trade for my loved one. how can some total stranger assume that by sentencing the offender to death, things will automatically be squared up? it's not and it never will be. it won't bring closure, that has to come from within.

It's squared up because it's one-for-one. You're right that it isn't an equal trade; but if the Government will at least even it up body-wise, then the victim's families don't have to consider how many of the criminal's relatives might need to meet the same fate to even it up in their minds/hearts.
 
I am for the death penalty in general....why? because the Ted Bundys do not deserve to have a voice for 35 yrs and to cost the rest of us a minimum of a 100,000 a year if he doesnt get sick..

For those that say the death penalty methods are inhumane...you are correct...people lobbying to stop all other methods brought about this absurd lethal injection....which proponents claim is more humane and painless...sorry folks the most humane and PAINLESS way to engage the dealth penalty is the original way...put a bag over the head and shoot them in the back of the head....painless, less stressful and instantaneous.

Having said im for the death penalty I want it proven beyond a doubt first...I want dna etc...
 
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It's squared up because it's one-for-one. You're right that it isn't an equal trade; but if the Government will at least even it up body-wise, then the victim's families don't have to consider how many of the criminal's relatives might need to meet the same fate to even it up in their minds/hearts.
all we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.....

you can spend it full of hate and vengeance with crazy talk of seeking revenge against criminals relatives but i choose not to live like that.

each to his own.
 
all we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.....

you can spend it full of hate and vengeance with crazy talk of seeking revenge against criminals relatives but i choose not to live like that.

each to his own.

On that we will agree 100%. At the end of our days we will stand before our Makers and be judged on our thoughts, words, and deeds. I'm prepared to do so. I wonder how many others can truly say that.
 
I am for the death penalty in general....why? because the Ted Bundys do not deserve to have a voice for 35 yrs and to cost the rest of us a minimum of a 100,000 a year if he doesnt get sick..
Did you know that Bundy went to your state because it had a death penalty. He had a death wish.
 
My concern with both what Perry did and GA is doing is that it is all over the world media. This, along with past similar stories and things like Gitmo, has lead to the US government being thought of global in ways that most in the US feel about places like Libya under Gaddafi, Iraq under Saddam and Cuba.

The support of Israel's blatantly illegal gaffes (not saying all activities are wrong, but they've committed several stunning blunders), invasion of Iraqi under false pretenses, the history of slavery and relatively recent lifting of restrictions based on gender and race, etc. have caused the US to be viewed globally as not fit to be a leader in human rights, integrity or ethics. We have seen the effects of this global perception: Countries refused to approve the Iraqi invasion, the EU does not automatically assume the US is right in financial matters, the world is voting against the US position on Palestine, China openly criticizing US fiscal performance and many others.
 
Frolicking..... Why the H-E-Double Hockey Sticks do we give a Rat's rear end what anyone else thinks of us? Their citizenry is STILL flocking here in droves, and we don't see a huge number of Americans begging to get permanent residence and citizenship in Greece, Germany, China, Australia, the UK, etc.... If they don't like the way we do things they don't need to do business with us. It's that simple.
 
I disagree with you 100%
I think 1,000,000 rapist and murderers ought to be set free to save even one Innocent person sent to death.
and i don't believe in the death penalty either.

Now i also believe that anyone has the right to blow someones brains out if they try to steal/rape/murder/harm them. Murderers and rapist have it coming to them either way if they are caught or not...

It brings move of a duty on the individual to protect oneself and others but then at least we would know our government doesn't condemn Innocent people to death.

1,000,000 new chances for rape and murder, all to protect your fragile fear of an "innocent" being put to death. And you think the DP is cruel... smh
 
Frolicking..... Why the H-E-Double Hockey Sticks do we give a Rat's rear end what anyone else thinks of us? Their citizenry is STILL flocking here in droves, and we don't see a huge number of Americans begging to get permanent residence and citizenship in Greece, Germany, China, Australia, the UK, etc.... If they don't like the way we do things they don't need to do business with us. It's that simple.

LOL and you base this one what exactly... the millions of Mexicans jumping over your pathetic borders? I dont think you realize how hard it is to get into the US these days...legally that is.
 
LOL and you base this one what exactly... the millions of Mexicans jumping over your pathetic borders? I dont think you realize how hard it is to get into the US these days...legally that is.

Not hard enough either Legally OR Illegally so far as I'm concerned.
 
There is no perfect system of justice; inevitably innocent people are put to death.
 
Ya know why that is? Because there are some crimes that are committed that call for no less of a punishment than death. Perhaps your heart will bleed for someone like Susan Smith, who drowned her 2 little boys, or like the Arizona shooter or the Fort Hood shooter (I could go on and on). As for me, my heart bleeds for the victims and some SOBs richly deserve nothing less.

Being morally opposed to the death penalty does not mean nor require that you have sympathy for the criminal nor lack sympathy for the victim, any more than being morally opposed to torture means you have sympathy for terrorists. Your post is based on a false premise.
 
1,000,000 new chances for rape and murder, all to protect your fragile fear of an "innocent" being put to death. And you think the DP is cruel... smh

Did you know that every time a baby is born, there is a chance they could grow up to be a rapist or murderer? Me personally, I am not so cowardly as to live in fear of some imagined might be scenario.
 
I have to be honest, I'm Chinese so I am for death penalty. I think people who killed others in a wanton and brutal manner should repay with their own lives. This is to discourage future incidents. However, in this case, Mr. Davis's case is clouded with contradicting evidences. I understand the family of the police officer wants justice, but if you kill the wrong man, not only you don't get justice, you end up w/ the blood of an innocent on your hand. You are no better than a murder. I think the Geogia need to put in another full investigation, re-comb the evidences and witnesses again. If he is still found guilty, then no problem send him to die. But if the evidence didn't point to him after a thorough investigation, then you will have put an innocent man to death for a crime he did not commit. That is a crime and a tragedy in itself!
 
how can some total stranger assume that by sentencing the offender to death, things will automatically be squared up? it's not and it never will be. it won't bring closure, that has to come from within.

The death penalty should not be about vengeance.

It should be about ridding ourselves of a particularly malevolent presence, once and for all.
 
We should really abolish the death penalty. It's expensive and justice is blind. People have been murdered by the state on charges they were innocent of. If a person is wrongfully jailed they can be set free and compensated. If you execute an innocent person the only thing the state can do is go "oops!"
 
Did you know that Bundy went to your state because it had a death penalty. He had a death wish.

I do know if bundy got executed the first time they caught him...there would be alot of young women that werent tortured and murdered
 
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